I continue to see more and more 3/4 ton Ram Hemi's on the road and I'm starting to see some 7.3 Super Duty's on the road as well. I suspect this trend will continue as this couple have made the change for their towing needs.Link

So gassers are getting more powerful….and so are diesels….Not sure what the news is here. Buy what ya think fits ya. And in these peoples case and so many, spend, upgrade, spend more, down grade, still spend more, change your mind, spend even more…..These types of folks were made for dealers!And his wife must be a total Nancy, since you can almost hear a mouse fart in the cab of a new Cummins pickup. If that’s too loud, wait til that 7.3 drops 4 or 5 gears to get up the hill!

I will start. Great combination. Hemi is good. Dodge is good. All is good.

With diesel running 20-30% more per gallon and getting 20-30% more MPG...any claims of fuel efficiency gains becomes a wash.And with gas engines capable of ever larger tow ratings, much of the diesel advantage goes away. Especially when looking at up front costs.I would still lean diesel if over 14-16k but much below that range, gas is a very effective combination. In the middle of that range it would likely depend on the number of miles and driving conditions.

Another factor to think about is the fact the emission control systems on the diesels lack of dependability. This means the diesel has lost a major sales point. Then I think many that if their gas engine will last as long as most other components of the truck where is the advantage in a engine that will last 2-3 times longer? Still no glider kits for light duty trucks.

I am waiting on my 2024 gas 6.6 with the 10 sp. I had the 2020 gas dually, and had no issues in Michigan towing my trailer or the 15k loaded gooseneck. If the 10sp improves fuel economy, I will most likely make the following tow vehicle gas. The price difference in January has been more like 40% - 50% higher.

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Grit_dog
Navigator
Feb 01, 2023
^What he said.
Huntindog
Explorer
Feb 01, 2023
valhalla360 wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
It is not suprising. Gas is cheaper right now.
I have been driving diesels since 2000. The price of diesel vs gas has swung back and forth many times since then. Twice there was a pipeline
problem and gas just wasn't availible. There are two constants. Gas propenents will always crow about how smart they were when gas is cheaper, and fall silent when it is not.... And diesel ALWAYs gets about 30% better MPGs

When was gas not available? I've had a drivers license since the 1980's, never had an issue where there wasn't gas available.

Also, it's been at least a couple decades since diesel was cheaper than gas per gallon. The last year or so, it's been more than enough to cover any MPG improvements.

It was regional shortages in Phoenix and outlying areas. Pipeline trouble, I was good as I have both gas and diesel vehicles at my disposal.
And no, I did not mark it on the calandar as important dates to remember, and I do not have any links for ya.
I will how ever always enjoy the memory of getting fuel for my diesel and cars almost getting in wrecks when they saw me, and they thought I had found the only station in town with gas.

My pricing experience has been mostly local as well.
lawnspecialties
Explorer
Feb 01, 2023
I think gas and diesels have their rightful place in our lives. I have two F350s right now that I use for my landscaping business. They both have the 6.2.

Although no astronomical powerhouse, they do me very well. My landscape trailers virtually never exceed 10,000 lbs and often are around 5500 lbs. These trucks are hooked up to trailers probably 98% of their life. But they do the job, are easy to service and maintain, and easy to find gas anywhere.

That being said, I wouldn't dare try again gas with a camper. The only time we tried was back in 2014. The 2013 F350 I have now was used to pull a Work & Play 30WRS. For a travel trailer toy hauler, they were on the heavier side. Although the truck could handle the job, long trips just got really old. It took half a year and I bought a new 2015 F350 6.7.

If I do buy another truck for my business before I retire in a few years, I would upgrade to a 7.3 gas. But if I buy another truck for our next RV purchase, hands down it will be another diesel.
Grit_dog
Navigator
Feb 01, 2023
Now we’re cookin with gas…..or diesel:…
We got the 20mpg HD gasser club, roflmao, you do realize that’s not a thing,right? Vs the diesel has been more expensive for 20+ years, also umm not true.
And the guy who “won’t chime in” but followed that statement with a paragraph of chiming in…
This is the makings of a good old fashioned geezer.net debate!
PA12DRVR
Explorer
Feb 01, 2023
"As to gas and diesel prices, here in the PNW we have seen diesel lower than gas within the last 18 months."

Prolly have to go back 24 months for the Los Anchorage area, but diesel was noticeably cheaper in that timeframe.
IdaD
Explorer
Feb 01, 2023
mosseater wrote:
I don't chime in on diesel vs gas. I personally don't see a need for ME to pony up another $10k for a diesel. My '22 F-250 Supercrew is quite nice with the 7.3. For those comparing peak torque 6.6 v 7.3 you may want to see when that torque curve comes in. About 1000 rpm for the Ford and about 4k rpm for the 6.6 to reach the same number. The 7.3 is a great combo with the 10 spd and has gotten about 20 mpg on decent highway, about 15 average. Around town and idling in 4 wd about 12-13, and 10-11 towing my 8000lb trailer. I'm very happy with it so far.

I suspect the 11.3 average MPG figure on Fuelly for the 7.3 in a Super Duty is a more realistic expectation most folks should have. The 10 speed certainly helps which is why it doesn't average single digits. I think my 2015 Cummins overall MPG average over 100k miles is about 15. A big gasser won't do as well as it regardless of the transmission.
rhagfo
Explorer III
Feb 01, 2023
valhalla360 wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
It is not suprising. Gas is cheaper right now.
I have been driving diesels since 2000. The price of diesel vs gas has swung back and forth many times since then. Twice there was a pipeline
problem and gas just wasn't availible. There are two constants. Gas propenents will always crow about how smart they were when gas is cheaper, and fall silent when it is not.... And diesel ALWAYs gets about 30% better MPGs

When was gas not available? I've had a drivers license since the 1980's, never had an issue where there wasn't gas available.

Also, it's been at least a couple decades since diesel was cheaper than gas per gallon. The last year or so, it's been more than enough to cover any MPG improvements.

Well we had gas rationing in the 70’s, that was not fun.
As to gas and diesel prices, here in the PNW we have seen diesel lower than gas within the last 18 months.
bucky
Explorer II
Feb 01, 2023
I think that the diesel/gas ratio in 2500 and 3500 trucks is going to be skewed by the number of municipality gas trucks that are sold.
JRscooby
Explorer II
Feb 01, 2023
Me Again wrote:

No gasser goes down a step mountain with a heavy load like a diesel with an exhaust brake.

I will never forget my shock the first day I took my 855 CID diesel to work to replace the 427 GMC spark plug motor. Everybody I worked with was running diesel, so I expected to climb hills faster. What surprised me was the lack of compression braking.
I would still like to see side by each comparison, equal weights, displacement, gears, and wind resistance, diesel with exhaust brake to closed throttle on gas engine.
mosseater
Explorer II
Feb 01, 2023
I don't chime in on diesel vs gas. I personally don't see a need for ME to pony up another $10k for a diesel. My '22 F-250 Supercrew is quite nice with the 7.3. For those comparing peak torque 6.6 v 7.3 you may want to see when that torque curve comes in. About 1000 rpm for the Ford and about 4k rpm for the 6.6 to reach the same number. The 7.3 is a great combo with the 10 spd and has gotten about 20 mpg on decent highway, about 15 average. Around town and idling in 4 wd about 12-13, and 10-11 towing my 8000lb trailer. I'm very happy with it so far.