Dodge all in on electric too 500 mile range Ram

nickthehunter wrote:
48 amps at 240 volts is 11,520 watts. Multiply that by 3 chargers and tell me once again how “no upgrades are needed”.

I think you misread my post. I indicated it was a more expensive option and a nice to have but not need to have option for a campground owner. I’ll look it over and see if I can improve the clarity on edit.

Below added on edit. I left the original up.

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No excavation or upgrades needed to provide a basic 32 or even 40 amp service. The EV driver has all the equipment he needs. It comes with the vehicle. All he or she needs is to pay the additional fee and subsequent permission to plug into the 14-50 receptacle with their EV. In our experience it’s really the only way we have ever seen it. Most EVSE’s that come with an EV limit current to 32 amp although there are a couple that limit to 40 amp when plugged into a 14 -50 service.

Another approach. Adding separate 48 amp J1772 EVSE’s in common parking spots is a nice to have not need to have albeit more costly approach for the campground owner. But also allows for a faster charge service. A campground down the road from us has done that. Probably a little easier to control though. They marked the spots as EV parking only and then just charge a flat fee although I don’t know how much. They went with a 48 EVSE so a 60 amp breaker.

I think a lot of confusion and negativity on the topic comes out of not knowing how the charging on an EV works. If nothing else threads like this allow those of us driving EV’s to pass on that knowledge.

Hopefully the above edits clear things up.

Not an expert.

Cheers.

48 amps at 240 volts is 11,520 watts. Multiply that by 3 chargers and tell me once again how “no upgrades are needed”.

wapiticountry wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.

And how do you manage those three sites? Hold them open for EV owners exclusively and turn away guests if you are otherwise full? Take a couple of one night EV reservations that fill those two sites and then have to turn away multi night EV reservations because you have those single night reservations in the middle of the longer stay’s request? And even creating a couple of sites involves rewiring which involves excavation. Multiple thousands of dollars of cost for exactly what gain? It is going to be a long time, if ever, before many parks stop lumping guests who require EV charging into the same category as those guests who require amenities and services the park also chooses not to provide. Those aren’t lost customers, they were never that park’s customer to begin with. Just like the prime steakhouse doesn’t see the customers at the Chuck E Cheese next door as lost business.

No excavation or upgrades needed to provide a basic service. The EV driver has all the equipment he needs. It comes with the vehicle. All he or she needs is to pay the additional fee and subsequent permission to plug into the 14-50 receptacle with their EV. In our experience it’s really the only way we have ever seen it.

Adding separate 48 amp J1772 EVSE’s in common parking spots is a nice to have not need to have albeit more costly approach for the campground owner. But also allows for a faster charge service. A campground down the road from us has done that. Probably a little easier to control though. They marked the spots as EV parking only and then just charge a flat fee although I don’t know how much. They went with a 48 EVSE so a 60 amp breaker.

I think a lot of confusion and negativity on the topic comes out of not knowing how the charging on an EV works. If nothing else threads like this allow those of us driving EV’s to pass on that knowledge.

goducks10 wrote:
Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.

And how do you manage those three sites? Hold them open for EV owners exclusively and turn away guests if you are otherwise full? Take a couple of one night EV reservations that fill those two sites and then have to turn away multi night EV reservations because you have those single night reservations in the middle of the longer stay’s request? And even creating a couple of sites involves rewiring which involves excavation. Multiple thousands of dollars of cost for exactly what gain? It is going to be a long time, if ever, before many parks stop lumping guests who require EV charging into the same category as those guests who require amenities and services the park also chooses not to provide. Those aren’t lost customers, they were never that park’s customer to begin with. Just like the prime steakhouse doesn’t see the customers at the Chuck E Cheese next door as lost business.

Bumpyroad wrote:
this thread has certainly jumped off the rails. lets rebuild all of our RV parks to accommodate a few outliers.
bumpy

Just like every EV thread for the last ____years on this forum. (And most other threads on here as well, to be fair) Heck, the mods even tried to keep EV threads to one thread at one point, because there were multiple off the rails arguments going on about the same thing at the same time, a year or 2 ago.

goducks10 wrote:
Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.

Exactly. Even just changing the rules so the client has a choice of plugging in their RV or their EV but not both at the same time. And allow only one EV charging per string. EV’s don’t draw that much when plugged into a 14-50 plug. Most included EVSE’s limit out at 32 amps when plugged into a 14-50 receptacle. And again, extra revenue, zero investment.

When Mopar commits to something they go big or go home! This is what separates the men from the boys, or the electrons from the petroleum!

Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.

This is another if you snooze you lose moment for the industry as the auto makers have already drawn the line in the sand for electric and the gas dinosaurs will need to get ready to die off. I am sure the baby steps on the next several tears will become leaps to reinvest in far more than just campgrounds.

nickthehunter wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:


As far as campground charging, I don't see much of an issue off season if there are a few stray EVs kicking around. The problem comes prime time when a lot of RV park electrical systems already struggle and there are a significant number of EVs charging for all they are worth.

You say the CG has power problems now, so they can't charge more than a few EVs, a few times a year. But all cars are not replaced every year. And for some time many that are replaced will be replaced with ICE vehicles. So it will not be none to 100%, (or even 50%) in even a year. So the capitalist that owns the CG that does not allow charging will see more of there customers go down the road to 1 that will. Choice will be made, and I bet most will upgrade the power system. And the upgraded system will help everybody that uses the CG, and everybody that lives in the area.

The campgrounds that choose to upgrade, can’t do so without significant cost. So they raise rates to cover the costs.So now you have a new wrinkle. Do you go down the road as you suggest at significantly more cost? Or maybe you just take a short trip to the local mall and charge your EV.

Or a combination of the two. Honestly I think it will depend on proximity to fast charging service to the campground. If it’s close and you are out shopping anyway just jump on a fast charger while shopping etc. If the campground offers a charge service at a reasonable rate then just charge overnight. I’ve seen people do it both ways. And it’s changing too. Fast charging facilities both public and private (tesla) have pretty much doubled in our province in the last two years and from what I can see by the various advertisements it will double again in the next two years. Campground charging is certainly a nice convenience that we would happily pay a premium for but the alternatives are better than they were a couple years ago.

I personally don’t think campgrounds need to go the route KOA is going and have a J1772 at each site. At least for the next decade maybe a dozen 48 amp J1772 EVSE’s in a common parking area would serve a medium sized campgrounds needs for years to come. Probably a decent revenue there.

Jmho.