Dodge all in on electric too 500 mile range Ram

JRscooby wrote:

monkey44 wrote:

But, your comment 'The government is paying' and 'if it's free will you do it' are way out of it. When the government pays, or it's 'free to you' is never true. The government is U and I, not some magic tree that grows dollars. Altho some administrations seem to think that.

Would you care to look up and post the numbers that show which administrations "seem to think that"/most grow the debt our grandchildren owe?

We pay, our kids pay, our grandkids pay. It might be progress and it might be improvements, but we all pay for it whether we use it or not.

I have heard this for at least half a century. When it comes to environment, a honest look would see bullsnot. Remember Love Canal? Times Beach? Burning rivers? Without government spending and regulations most of the country would be as polluted as Superfund sites by now. Most of the people that worry about the dollar cost of
of reducing emissions can't look at the cost of wildfires, floods, and storms, let alone our children and grandchildren's quality of life behind our destruction.
Veterans Health Care is not free, Public Health Care is not free.

We have no issues with government spending for the benefit of our citizens and protecting our earth. Just disagreeing with the fact so many folks think it's free just because the Feds write the check.

It's not free, it comes from our tax money and federal fines. It's part of our federal budget, collected from working taxes and-or operating permit fees, or sometimes surplus sales that we originally bought. We pay, it's not free. The government does not earn money for us to pay its bills.

This seems like good idea
Ram hybrid truck with range extender.

https://youtu.be/AQ-s2px0UwI

monkey44 wrote:
You're probably generally correct, the EV change is evolving as we discuss the pros and cons, and usefulness, and ability to 'refuel' the batteries.

But, your comment 'The government is paying' and 'if it's free will you do it' are way out of it. When the government pays, or it's 'free to you' is never true. The government is U and I, not some magic tree that grows dollars. Altho some administrations seem to think that.

We pay, our kids pay, our grandkids pay. It might be progress and it might be improvements, but we all pay for it whether we use it or not.

Veterans Health Care is not free, Public Health Care is not free. Police and Firemen are not free. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that nothing is free. We develop it or offer it for the benefit of our citizens, but we all pay for it too, either short term or long run.

I agree with your comments - I was being sarcastic....

monkey44 wrote:
Can someone explain to me the actual time in minutes or hours, whatever. How long is a 'fast charge'. Assume you have a three quarters batter discharge on a trip. How long does it take to recharge that battery.

People keep saying fast charge and quick charge which no definition in time.

Not to argue 'gas vs electric', just comparing time to fill tank vs time to charge when you are on a trip that's more miles than a battery will take you and you need a charge somewhere, wherever that exists.

1000+ miles per hour charge rate
So about 15 minutes for 250 miles of charge or 30 minutes for 500 miles at the Tesla Superchargers.

monkey44 wrote:

But, your comment 'The government is paying' and 'if it's free will you do it' are way out of it. When the government pays, or it's 'free to you' is never true. The government is U and I, not some magic tree that grows dollars. Altho some administrations seem to think that.

Would you care to look up and post the numbers that show which administrations "seem to think that"/most grow the debt our grandchildren owe?

We pay, our kids pay, our grandkids pay. It might be progress and it might be improvements, but we all pay for it whether we use it or not.

I have heard this for at least half a century. When it comes to environment, a honest look would see bullsnot. Remember Love Canal? Times Beach? Burning rivers? Without government spending and regulations most of the country would be as polluted as Superfund sites by now. Most of the people that worry about the dollar cost of
of reducing emissions can't look at the cost of wildfires, floods, and storms, let alone our children and grandchildren's quality of life behind our destruction.
Veterans Health Care is not free, Public Health Care is not free.

There is nothing wrong with EV`s. the problem is range as we have mentioned. Unless they start putting charging stations at every corner (like gas stations) and the charge rate takes only minutes (not hours), EV`s are not going to make it except as a niche market.

You're probably generally correct, the EV change is evolving as we discuss the pros and cons, and usefulness, and ability to 'refuel' the batteries.

But, your comment 'The government is paying' and 'if it's free will you do it' are way out of it. When the government pays, or it's 'free to you' is never true. The government is U and I, not some magic tree that grows dollars. Altho some administrations seem to think that.

We pay, our kids pay, our grandkids pay. It might be progress and it might be improvements, but we all pay for it whether we use it or not.

Veterans Health Care is not free, Public Health Care is not free. Police and Firemen are not free. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that nothing is free. We develop it or offer it for the benefit of our citizens, but we all pay for it too, either short term or long run.

How many EV trucks are not the road today?

Kind of a cart before the horse problem...

One of the biggest challenges for EV's is that the infrastructure is taking more time to update than the manufacturers are to develop and people to buy. So in the US our current administration is going above and beyond to change that. The incentives to install charging stations, and the push to put them everywhere is very real and growing. If you own a campground and the government will pay you to upgrade your electric grid if you put in a few charging areas, stations, or pedestals, will you? My guess is that is why KOA is doing it. Get the free money while you can!!

Unlike an ICE vehicle that has to go to a gas station to fill up, an EV can recharge at home, work, grocery store, gas station. What about rest stop, restaurant, charging pads can be installed where you stop anyway, what about a charging road? They built one in Sweden and I think another one is coming in Europe, not far off in the US and Canada. This "new" technology is taking us by storm and everyone (maybe not if your older...) will be driving one eventually. They might take off like the cell phone... (anyone not have a cell phone?)

If you have an RV now and you are pulling it with a truck, you stop to get gas before you get to the campground - or you look at your range and determine if you have enough to do what you need to do before the next fill up. Why would this be any different with an EV - oh yeah, you can fill up at the campground, unlike an ICE.... If you are staying somewhere for a few days, who's to say you can't just plug in at night. Would an overnight slow charge be enough to reduce range anxiety? Do you need a fast charge? There is probably one down the road, at the truck stop or rest stop, or maybe a gas station on your travels the next day. If it's a fast charge, how long will it take? I don't know the answer, but maybe long enough to make breakfast or lunch in your trailer.

My point, the infrastructure is changing as is the vehicle market. We have now had posts for upcoming EV's from Ford, Chevy, Ram, Rivian, and others to meet the demands of people who use trucks. My guess is these manufacturers are a better bet than the few that say "I will never buy an EV". Wait until the anti Autonomous Driving crowd chimes in...

wapiticountry wrote:

Reisender wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.

Except, it's often the main feed to the park that is limited. 2-3 fast charging stations may require an additional 400-500amps with a main feed that is already struggling during peak summer conditions.

I can’t see the need for a fast charge station in an RV park. Fast chargers are needed for road trips. People are usually in a park for a day or more.

Jmho.

People will need to use their EV to tour even if they are there for multiple days. Very few RV parks are destinations to themselves. When the EV is on site, so are the occupants and that is when they want and need the RV to be powered. The need to have the RV connected and the EV charging is almost always going to be simultaneous. The notion you can juggle connecting one and not the other wouldn’t work for the vast majority of people.

Yah could be. It hasn’t been an issue for anyone we know or ourselves but honestly we don’t charge that much in campgrounds. Really, it’s usually not a big deal to just jump on a supercharger for 15 or 20 minutes while we are out and about. But I get that infrastructure is still a challenge in some areas.

Infrastructure takes time. It’ll come.

d1h wrote:
They are going to have to pry my hands off the steering wheel of my ICE truck before I go electric.

Same here as this is so phony. They act like they are saving the Earth but in reality they sure are not.