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- Me_AgainExplorer III
Grit dog wrote:
I don't put much stock on towing 23k vs 30k. IMO that's a small select portion of the customer base anyway.
But the LP5 looks like a rocket ship by the numbers anyway. And it's hard to argue which of the big 3 has had less changes. Ford, 4th completely new engine since the first LB7 6.6 Dmax rolled out. Dodge, upper to the 6.7 (although idk why, probably more marketing than anything since they had the "small" engine).
Yes the Dmax has seen 5 "upgrades" but the basic geometry hasn't changed significantly since they came out.
Can't make much of an argument against a Dmax. Any of them really.
If I had to blindly accept a random yearmodel diesel from the last 15 years, it would be a Dmax/Alli. They just didn't have any BAD years like the other 2.
I guess you need a refresher on Duramax injector issues and the high cost of those services. - TravlingmanExplorer II
Grit dog wrote:
I don't put much stock on towing 23k vs 30k. IMO that's a small select portion of the customer base anyway.
But the LP5 looks like a rocket ship by the numbers anyway. And it's hard to argue which of the big 3 has had less changes. Ford, 4th completely new engine since the first LB7 6.6 Dmax rolled out. Dodge, upper to the 6.7 (although idk why, probably more marketing than anything since they had the "small" engine).
Yes the Dmax has seen 5 "upgrades" but the basic geometry hasn't changed significantly since they came out.
Can't make much of an argument against a Dmax. Any of them really.
If I had to blindly accept a random yearmodel diesel from the last 15 years, it would be a Dmax/Alli. They just didn't have any BAD years like the other 2.
Might want to go to the 28 minute mark of the video link I posted. Looks to me like some big changes this year. - Grit_dogNavigatorI don't put much stock on towing 23k vs 30k. IMO that's a small select portion of the customer base anyway.
But the LP5 looks like a rocket ship by the numbers anyway. And it's hard to argue which of the big 3 has had less changes. Ford, 4th completely new engine since the first LB7 6.6 Dmax rolled out. Dodge, upper to the 6.7 (although idk why, probably more marketing than anything since they had the "small" engine).
Yes the Dmax has seen 5 "upgrades" but the basic geometry hasn't changed significantly since they came out.
Can't make much of an argument against a Dmax. Any of them really.
If I had to blindly accept a random yearmodel diesel from the last 15 years, it would be a Dmax/Alli. They just didn't have any BAD years like the other 2. - Cummins12V98Explorer III
73guna wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
73guna wrote:
GM does not want to enter 30k towing limits at this time because they just dont see the market for it.
Either they passed the test or they did not. If they did they certainly be posting the higher numbers just like Ford and RAM. Spin, Spin, Spin!!!
Not sure if you understand, maybe you should stop Spin, Spin, Spinning!!! you seem to be dizzy. :B
How can they "pass the test" if they dont meet the criteria?
They dont meet the criteria because they dont feel the need to equip their trucks to be in 30k tow range.
How can they even be in the "test" if their trucks arent properly equipped?
Thanks for posting that link Travelingman.
Have you heard of SAE J2807? - ib516Explorer II
Bionic Man wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
Sounds like a very nice truck. And I would venture to say that the vast majority of truck buyers don't care if it is rated to tow 23k or 30k.
True but if they could they sure as HE!! would be advertising big numbers.
Maybe. Maybe not. Lots of speculation that they have been sandbagging their HP and Torque numbers for the last several years as despite of not having the top specs they still have won every towing/acceleration test I have seen.
They may not be sandbagging anymore. The Ford was just slightly faster 0-60 with a little less hp but slightly more tq.
What I can see them doing as a strategy is being the fastest/best when tested towing 23k or whatever their limit is. - 73gunaExplorer
Cummins12V98 wrote:
73guna wrote:
GM does not want to enter 30k towing limits at this time because they just dont see the market for it.
Either they passed the test or they did not. If they did they certainly be posting the higher numbers just like Ford and RAM. Spin, Spin, Spin!!!
Not sure if you understand, maybe you should stop Spin, Spin, Spinning!!! you seem to be dizzy. :B
How can they "pass the test" if they dont meet the criteria?
They dont meet the criteria because they dont feel the need to equip their trucks to be in 30k tow range.
How can they even be in the "test" if their trucks arent properly equipped?
Thanks for posting that link Travelingman. - blt2skiModeratorAre the three toll boys done yet?
- TravlingmanExplorer II
73guna wrote:
Seems to be some misinformation about the all mighty Allison.
The Allison is in no way the weak link to 30k towing or at its limits.
If you guys can give me some info to back up your statements then I'll gladly recant.
GM does not want to enter 30k towing limits at this time because they just dont see the market for it.
Ive heard this stated on videos by GM engineers and Ive read it in text.
I'll see if I can find this info. for you all.
Here is the video where GM explains their reasoning. Go to the 23 minute mark and he is explaining the low sales in the higher weights. 2017 GMC Sierra HD - Grit_dogNavigator
FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
GWolfe wrote:
IdaD wrote:
Call me crazy but I kind of like the muted diesel clatter with my Cummins. This new Durmax sounds like a very impressive truck. I'm still not a fan of the DEF tank location or IFS, but the new injection pump may prove to be a great change by GM.
I understand the concern about the DEF tank but don't get the IFS thing. What is it about IFS that y'all don't like? They sure do ride and drive nice. I'm not trying to start a bashing thing just trying to educate myself. I worked for a lawn and landscape company for many years that had a fleet of trucks used for everything from hauling equipment trailers to snow plowing to just general landscaping use. We had all the brands of trucks, cant say I remember any of them being brought in for front driveline work. The owner liked to buy cheap worn out trucks and just keep them going. The only thing he would stay away from were the 6.0l Fords, he was burned to many times, lots of 7.3s running around there though.
I've been driving IFS trucks for the last 20 years and never had a problem granted mine have been half tons and the worst they have seen was some mild off roading.
Try towing a HEAVY 5er, from the people I have talked to the IFS will bounce up and down MUCH more than a straight axle.
I have to nominate this statement as the biggest load of BS award for 2017.
Well I gotta get in on the bs fest here.....
I agree with fish on this one. I've towed a lot of miles with GM ifs and both of the other solid axle trucks and the ifs handles the bouncing a bit better, but it doesn't matter what you have, stiff front suspension, weight in the bed combined with freeway exp jts = bounce. Period. - Cummins12V98Explorer III
73guna wrote:
Seems to be some misinformation about the all mighty Allison.
The Allison is in no way the weak link to 30k towing or at its limits.
If you guys can give me some info to back up your statements then I'll gladly recant.
GM does not want to enter 30k towing limits at this time because they just dont see the market for it.
Ive heard this stated on videos by GM engineers and Ive read it in text.
I'll see if I can find this info. for you all.
Either they passed the test or they did not. If they did they certainly be posting the higher numbers just like Ford and RAM. Spin, Spin, Spin!!!
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