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Huntindog
Jan 17, 2023Explorer
RambleOnNW wrote:Groover wrote:RambleOnNW wrote:Groover wrote:pianotuna wrote:
Grover I'm all for nuclear power, if you can tell me how and where to safely store the waste. Until that happens I'm anti nuclear.
I believe that there are plenty of good options for storage.
That is pretty naive.
Fact is no country anywhere in the world has a long term disposal site In operation.
No one wants high-level nuclear waste in their backyard.
So nuclear waste sits at open and closed nuclear plants, a huge security risk.
Look at the radioactive half lives of the high-level waste components:
Technetium-99 211,000 years
Tin-126 230,000 years
Selenium-79 327,000 years
Zirconium-93. 1,530,000 years
Caesium-135. 2,300,000 years
Palladium-107. 6,500,000 years
Iodine-129. 15,700,000 years
If we continue on our current path how long do we have before climate change kills us all? The climate change activists seem to think it will be before the natural deaths of my children. How do you compare potential deaths 15,000 years out to sure deaths within the lifetimes of your children? Or, are you saying that climate change isn't really all that bad?
Keep in mind that we probably only need to buy another 50 years or so before fusion is viable and fusion doesn't make those types of waste.
I still believe that if we can get past the NIMBY attitude there are solutions to nuclear storage that will either outlast our civilization or until even better solutions will be found.
I know what the problems are, I want to hear solutions.
Nuclear is a dead end. However states rights and all that so if the SE US wants to add to their nuclear plant collection and dispose of the waste there feel free.
Solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, and green hydrogen can cover all the needs of the US. A 100 x 100 mile solar array and converted to green hydrogen and piped to power plants around the US can produce all the electricity needed. Use your engineer math skills, I did.
A 100 x 200 mile solar array can replace all oil usage in the US. Green hydrogen + CO2 can produce any fossil fuel. Green hydrogen can be stored in salt domes just like oil & gas.
In fact in Delta Utah they are working on just that, a green hydrogen plant with storage in 2 salt dome caverns, room for 300 GWh of storage. And room for 98 more caverns. Compared to the US installed base of utility lithium batteries of 2 GWh. Delta plant will run a mix of natural gas and hydrogen initially in their power plant, going to 100% hydrogen by 2045.
SoCalGas is working on mixing hydrogen with natural gas then extracting pure hydrogen from the mix with a membrane. That would make for easy hydrogen distribution to gas stations. SoCalGas is also going to test a hydrogen fuel cell F-550 from Ford.
Check out this Hyundai Nexo hydrogen with 380 mile range and 5 minute 100% refueling:
I think your figures are wildly optimistic.
I am in Phoenix where sunshine is abundant. Probably half my neighborhoods roofs are covered with solar panels. I have yet to speak to a single person that doesn't still buy electricity from APS. You just cannot make enough on your roof to power your home. The solar systems help reduce the amount one must buy but does not eliminate it
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