F-150 3.0 diesel Pictures

RobertRyan wrote:

No, Ford UK developed and built the engine for PSA. PSA designed the engine.

False! Partially!

Do you have anything to back this up like I did with mine?

ShinerBock wrote:
have no idea, not do I have an idea why you and the OP started talking about the Iveco in the first place. And I certainly do not know why you keep posting this false info......oh,wait.... I know why. To continue your "I hate America and America doesn

You have a vast hated for anyone on this message board who disagrees with you.Does not matter if they were born in the US
Bore and strokes for the various versions of the IVECO vary, the original engine for both was a 5.9 engine which was very similar .

I have no idea, not do I have an idea why you and the OP started talking about the Iveco in the first place. And I certainly do

Do not blame the OP, you wandered off into talking about a Cummins 6.7

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Lion is the Peugeot moniker and the design of the engine belongs with them.

Really, please show me otherwise because it looks like the Ford name in front of this engine built in a Ford plant.

Ford AJD-V6/PSA DT17

Hey look, it even states it was designed by Peugot, Jaguar, and Land Rover unlike you are stating. One would think that if it were a Peugeot only engine, then it would say Peugeot in that article.

No, Ford UK developed and built the engine for PSA. PSA designed the engine.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Powerdude wrote:
I would not buy a 1st year diesel engine from anybody, even if it was "tested in Europe"

Compared to European diesel fuel, US ultra low sulfur diesel has lower lubricity, the engine will be tuned to a different emissions standard, and will have different emissions equipment on it.

Let others test it out first. Computer simulations can only do so much.

^^^ smart man right there. Although I broke that rule with my LBZ and came out good.

You know there was an issue with the LBZ with the bronz inserts in the pistons which were later removed.

Powerdude wrote:
I would not buy a 1st year diesel engine from anybody, even if it was "tested in Europe"

Compared to European diesel fuel, US ultra low sulfur diesel has lower lubricity, the engine will be tuned to a different emissions standard, and will have different emissions equipment on it.

Let others test it out first. Computer simulations can only do so much.

^^^ smart man right there. Although I broke that rule with my LBZ and came out good.

I would not buy a 1st year diesel engine from anybody, even if it was "tested in Europe"

Compared to European diesel fuel, US ultra low sulfur diesel has lower lubricity, the engine will be tuned to a different emissions standard, and will have different emissions equipment on it.

Let others test it out first. Computer simulations can only do so much.

RobertRyan wrote:


Where are the specifications for both?

6.7L Cummins

Iveco 6.7L

RobertRyan wrote:
Yes they did build the blocks for the intial batch of Cummins diesels in the US.

No, they did not. Can you please show me your proof?

RobertRyan wrote:
Show the differing internals?

Uhm, if they have different bores then what does that tell you????? They have different pistons.

And if they have different strokes then what does that tell you?? They have different _______

RobertRyan wrote:
New block for the 6.7 version of the IVECO., otherwise same problem with a weak block.

Just as that article you posted stated, the Iveco 6.7L uses a bored out 5.9L block while the Cummins 6.7L is a whole new block.

RobertRyan wrote:
You are quoting a marinized version of the 5.9 engine what , relevance does it have to either the 6.7 IVECO or Cummins?

Uhm, you were the own who jumped from the 6.7L to the 5.9L in that article you posted. I just posted the rest of that article that you intentionally left out because it proved what you are saying as incorrect. Please go back to the website where you got that article you posted earlier and read it in its entirety.

RobertRyan wrote:
By the way what relevance does the Cummins 6.7 have to the 3 Litre engine in the F150?

I have no idea, not do I have an idea why you and the OP started talking about the Iveco in the first place. And I certainly do not know why you keep posting this false info......oh,wait.... I know why. To continue your "I hate America and America doesn't build anything" diatribe like you usually try to spew.

RobertRyan wrote:

Lion is the Peugeot moniker and the design of the engine belongs with them.

Really, please show me otherwise because it looks like the Ford name in front of this engine built in a Ford plant.

Ford AJD-V6/PSA DT17

Hey look, it even states it was designed by Peugot, Jaguar, and Land Rover unlike you are stating. One would think that if it were a Peugeot only engine, then it would say Peugeot in that article.

demiles wrote:
I see nothing has changed here in many years. A diesel in a 1/2 ton truck is a good idea, good torque for towing along with better fuel economy. Hopefully GM and Ford get on board with program since choice is good for us consumers.

Long with an increasing use of midsize pickups( up 39% in sales) as they are more nimble in many situations, you will see a lot more diesels in 1/2 tons

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Both the Cummins and the IVECO 5.9 engines were the product of the short lived partnership between Fiat and Cummins.Fiat actually produced the blocks for Cummins, before the total separation of both companies.

Wait...what? First you say the Iveco 6.7L is "basically the same" as the Cummins 6.7L, and now you are back tracking to talking about the the 5.9L and post an article only relating to how Iveco used the Cummins 5.9L as the starting point for their 5.9L. BTW, why didn't you post all of that article you posted? Just a few more paragraphs and it backed up what I stated.

Here is where you intentionally stopped.....

The final result of the EEA work was the ISBe automotive engine built by Cummins in Darlington and the Italian IVECO NEF engine. Very similar engines, however IVECO use Bosch Hardware/software, Cummins used Bosch ECU with Cummins software and slightly different common rail set up.

Shortly after launch of NEF engine IVECO Aifo took the automotive engine and marinised it.

After just a year tensions between Cummins and IVECO began to smoulder when the Italians failed to pay agreed licence fees.

The Cummins QSB marine engine is based on a US designed engine which came out of the EEA work but based on the ISB (new generation) engine sold to Dodge for the Ram truck, 300,000 units per annum. This engine has the timing gear where Americans like it, back on the front!

At the time of the ISBe launch Ricardo in the UK did a research progam an unspecified customer, I suspect the MOD and in 2003 they had developed a twin turbo ISBe 5.9 reliably producing 500 Hp much of this work was banked for the eventual use in the QSB marine engine.

My biased view of the IVECO NEF.....

Marinisation of a truck engine is a nightmare. Take a look at the raw water pump, Remove the charge cooler in order to change the impeller, simply nuts! This pump is also proprietry, not Jabso, Johnson or Sherwood, try to obtaining price for new pump. Electronics are more than a bit clunky, very poor noise supression algorithim.

Biggest beef, Mickey Mouse 25C test fuel spec dodgy sheet power, when will they ever learn.

When the split came Cummins knew how to obtain more displacement out of the ISB/QSB without weakening major components. Then patented the redesign

IVECO 6.7, 5.9 102mm bore block bored out to 104mm, crank pin offset ground to reduce diameter but increase stroke by 10mm to 132mm.

Cummins 6.7, new block allowing 107mm bore plus service oversize, crank retaining original bearing areas with clever change to balance weights allowing 124 mm stroke without kissing the camshaft.

IVECO NEF motors are around 20% less expensive than equivalent Cummins, but they out sell IVECO by a significant margin............

Basically the Iveco 6.7L uses different internals, has a different bore/stroke ratio, different compression ratio, and a bored out version of the old 5.9L block taking away strength. The Cummins 6.7L is a new block from the 5.9L so they didn't have to weaken the structure of the block to give it a larger displacement.

Also, Fiat did not build any blocks going into our trucks in the US. I don't know(or care) how they did it in the EU, but over here Cummins made all of their blocks.

Where are the specifications for both? Yes they did build the blocks for the intial batch of Cummins diesels.in the US. Show the differing internals?
New block for the 6.7 version of the IVECO., otherwise same problem with a weak block.
You are quoting a marinized version of the 5.9 engine what , relevance does it have to either the 6.7 IVECO or Cummins?
By the way what relevance does the Cummins 6.7 have to the 3 Litre engine in the F150?