F150 2.7 22MPG vs Ram ED 23MPG

Are those mpg numbers for the Eco boost actual or mfg claimed? Seeing some good reports on real world use on the Eco Diesel and the big Ecoboost loses mpg pretty quick as soon as you hook it up.
Ford has some pretty amazing motors in the Eco boost twins fo sho and the baby ram diesel is no slouch either.
It's a good time to be a gear head. It's like the second coming of muscle cars and now muscle trucks. Sweet that you can go down to any dealer and have your pick of 300-500hp and 400-800 tq vehicles!

Do those mpg numbers add up to a 25% increase?
If the 2.7 fares the same as the 3.5. Towing numbers will be horrible.

OK, finally got home and was able to try the build app, looks like it's no longer beta for Ford. For comparison's sake, I built a Ford XLT 4x4 Crew cab with the 5.5 bed (some users remember I called this bed useless at one point). I built a RAM Bighorn 4x4 Crew cab with 5.5 bed Ecodiesel to match up against it.
Here's the tale of the tape:
Measure Ford RAM
base price $41,415 $41,315 (price includes destination charges)
builtPrice $46,790 $49,160 (price difference of $2,370 between the two)

The Ford was equipped with the following paid-for options:
2.7 Ecoboost
301A equipment Group $1400
Power Equipment Group $0
XLT Chrome/Sport appearance package $945
Trailer Tow Package $495
Power Sliding Rear Window $350
Fog Lamps $0
Manual Trailer Tow Mirrors $275
LED Spot Light (Required with Tow Mirrors on XLT) $175
Remote Start $195
3.73 locking axle ratio $570
Integrated Brake Controller $275
Kicker Subwoofer $695
Total options price: $5,375

The RAM was equipped with the following paid-for options:
Ecodiesel $4770
3.92 rear axle ratio $50
anti-spin differential $325
Block Heater $90
Remote Start $350
Comfort Group $395
Luxury Group $560
Rear Camera & Park Assist $595
Trailer Tow Mirrors and brake controller $410
9 amplified speakers and subwoofer $300
Total options price: $7,845

However, I took into account the standard features of both and tried to match them up as best as you can with differing manufacturers.

For Ford, I selected the 301A group as that's the more basic productivity instrument cluster (still tiny compared to RAM's 7.2" display) but this gives me my minimum leather wrapped steering wheel, power driver's seat, under seat storage in the back and a rear view camera. I had to option these items separately on the RAM.

For RAM, it already came standard with a rear sliding window, so I had to option that on the Ford.

For Ford, I optioned the Chrome appearance package, as that's basically what the Bighorn package is for RAM.

For some reason, Ford wouldn't let me option it with 20" chrome wheels to match what the RAM came with. Most likely due to the tow package or something along those lines (Gawd I hate these packaged deals).

However, I tried to make them as close as I could. A ton of people get hung up on the $4k mark-up on the ecodiesel. That figure is totally true when talking about the truck respective of its maker. But when comparing feature for feature across different makes, all makes have different "Standard" items and different packages. I basically built a lighter duty version of my current RAM that I own with both trucks and these are the results I got. So for those that aren't blindly loyal to any maker, I believe it would certainly be of great benefit to truly study the packages and weigh the pricing between the makes. This is one reason why I drive a RAM HD today. It turns out in my case (when I was HD truck shopping at the time) for what my wants and desires are in a truck, RAM came with the better deal. I'm sure in some cases Ford will have the better (like maybe when looking at Platinum vs. Laramie Longhorn or something like that or different priorities on certain options).

One thing that I think is killer on the F-150 though is those jewel-like LED headlights (too bad they're only on the higher end models). Lots of development went into making those lights and I think they're just awesome looking.

BB_TX wrote:
As long as we are paying a 60-70 cent premium for diesel over regular gas it makes it hard to justify a diesel unless you really do need it for the torque.

Where in the heck are you paying 60-70 cent premium for diesel??? Right now diesel is 8 cents/litre (30.24 cents/us gal) above gas and this for winter fuel. All summer they are equal where we live.

But you could still use the Ram ED to get your groceries! However, at great extra expense! Just buy less groceries and after 10-15 years, you just might break even...

Ecoboost engines - high flow intake head and exhaust - like a diesel; turbocharged for torque and high altitude normalization - like a diesel; direct fuel injection - like a diesel (but not auto ignition); charge air cooled (intercooled) - like a diesel; lots of low rpm torque where it belongs in a road vehicle - like a diesel; high power density vs displacement - like a diesel; light load fuel efficiency - like a diesel;

maybe a little thirsty when called on to work at 90% power output hour after hour compared to a diesel;

Repair costs - no more than a 2 barrel 302 I'm sure...

This is some great technology for light trucks - but why the constant diesel bashing - considering the tech that makes ecoboost engines perform like they do comes from diesel engine evolution...

Fargo, that's some funny stuff right there.

Torque has nothing to do with it. It's all about the horsepower. Those 40 ton 18 wheelers cruising at 65 in a side wind are a mirage...they only have 450 or 500 hp.

2 x 2.7l F150 engines hooked together = 640hp would handle 40 tons hands down... and leave a 450hp ISX diesel for dead, I'm sure...

Diesel is yesteryear's technology ...

Source? Configuration? Gearing? Motortrend's real mpg test returned fairly dismal results at 18 combined. I am hoping to see the ecodiesel ran through that test. The 2.7 was only 1 or 2 mpg better than the 3.5 ecoboost in the new f-150. I trust the real mpg test more as that aligns better with averages seen on fuelly.

Nevermind, saw the next post. Seems like they scored higher on era but I still want to see real mpg and it would be fun to follow these vehicles on fuelly. Good on Ford. However, building side by side option for option in the beta truck building app, an ecodiesel was priced about the same the Ford with a 2.7. I wonder if that has changed since beta.

As long as we are paying a 60-70 cent premium for diesel over regular gas it makes it hard to justify a diesel unless you really do need it for the torque.