FCA Receives Certification for EcoDiesel

RobertRyan wrote:


Just like an Italian Engine has been configured for Euro 5 and USTier 2 regulations. The engine that started this thread
You seem to have no idea how various engines are configured to meet different emission regulations

Are you talking about the very same Ecodiesel that was banned by the EPA, but was still legal to sale in Europe since Euro 6 is less stringent. The very same Ecodiesel that was delayed almost a full year at the plant in Italy so they can be recalibrated to meet the stricter US emissions standards even though they already met Euro standards?

Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Delayed Until Early 2014

"According to Allpar, a large number of the EcoDiesel engines have been held at the VM engine plant in Ferrara Italy to be recalibrated to meet the American emission standards. Allpar also reports that the VM production line that was tasked with producing the EcoDiesel 3.0L V6 has been paused and should the calibration issue reports be true – it would make good sense for Chrysler to stop producing the engines until they are able to ship those engines that have already been produced."

Yeah, I remember that engine, and thanks for bringing it up because it proves exactly what have been saying that the US emissions are more strict than the Euro emissions.

Oh, and I have actually worked for a diesel engine manufacturer that sold diesels globally. How many have you worked for?

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

You seem to forget the reason why US regulations are rejected globally and then add in US diesels are accepted outside the US..which is total fantasy .
You cannot win an discussion on facts, so when you know you are losing you resort to abusive jingoism

I have posted many references backing up what I have stated the US has stricter diesels emissions and you have posted nothing backing up your claims so prove it or quit spreading false info just because you hate the US.

No doubt, but nothing to counter claim what I posted. You will keep on posting the same thing over and over again. We follow the US in many regulations, but when it comes to emission regulations , they are by themselves. If they were the best regulations no problems adopting them

V in the Global Colorado.,This thread was about that Italian engine the VMotori initially


I have posted many references backing up what I have stated the US has stricter diesels emissions and you have posted nothing backing up your claims so prove it or quit spreading false info just because you hate the US.

Oh, and yes US diesels are accepted in many places outside US.

Cummins Europe: Bus & Truck Engines
Just like an Italian engine has been configured to US Tier 2 regulations as well as Euro

Yet another false claim.

Just like an Italian Engine has been configured for Euro 5 and USTier 2 regulations. The engine that started this thread
You seem to have no idea how various engines are configured to meet different emission regulations

RobertRyan wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

You seem to forget the reason why US regulations are rejected globally and then add in US diesels are accepted outside the US..which is total fantasy .
You cannot win an discussion on facts, so when you know you are losing you resort to abusive jingoism

I have posted many references backing up what I have stated the US has stricter diesels emissions and you have posted nothing backing up your claims so prove it or quit spreading false info just because you hate the US.

No doubt, but nothing to counter claim what I posted. You will keep on posting the same thing over and over again. We follow the US in many regulations, but when it comes to emission regulations , they are by themselves. If they were the best regulations no problems adopting them

I have posted many references backing up what I have stated the US has stricter diesels emissions and you have posted nothing backing up your claims so prove it or quit spreading false info just because you hate the US.

Oh, and yes US diesels are accepted in many places outside US.

Cummins Europe: Bus & Truck Engines

Yet another false claim.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

You seem to forget the reason why US regulations are rejected globally and then add in US diesels are accepted outside the US..which is total fantasy .
You cannot win an discussion on facts, so when you know you are losing you resort to abusive jingoism

I have posted many references backing up what I have stated the US has stricter diesels emissions and you have posted nothing backing up your claims so prove it or quit spreading false info just because you hate the US.

No doubt, but nothing to counter claim what I posted. You will keep on posting the same thing over and over again. We follow the US in many regulations, but when it comes to emission regulations , they are by themselves. If they were the best regulations no problems adopting them

RobertRyan wrote:

You seem to forget the reason why US regulations are rejected globally and then add in US diesels are accepted outside the US..which is total fantasy .
You cannot win an discussion on facts, so when you know you are losing you resort to abusive jingoism

I have posted many references backing up what I have stated the US has stricter diesels emissions and you have posted nothing backing up your claims so prove it or quit spreading false info just because you hate the US.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Obviously you did not see that Tier 2 regulations produce more CO2, CO and sub micron. particulates Co2 is a greenhouse gas, CO is another but is lethal in concentrations. SubMicron level particultates Cancer. " Currently Emisssion Levels are now close too Tier 2" US Tier 2 are less stringent as a result they have not been adopted globally. If US regulations were they way to go, there would be no problem in adopting them, but they are not.

We are not discussing if the US regulation is or isn't the way to go so quit trying to change the subject to fit your "We do things better than the US" narrative. That fact is, you stating that the Euro 6 emission regulation us more strict than the US is completely and utterly false. The US has more strict NOx regulation while have the same PM regulation. This is why Euro diesels have to have their emissions modified to come here and US vehicles being sold elsewhere don't.


I have posted many articles backing this up and you have posted nothing backing up your claims so prove it or quit spreading false info just because you hate the US.

You seem to forget the reason why US regulations are rejected globally and then add in US diesels are accepted outside the US..which is total fantasy . Backing up your claims? Nothing you have posted disagrees with what I have stated
You cannot win an discussion on facts, so when you know you are losing you resort to abusive jingoism

RobertRyan wrote:

Obviously you did not see that Tier 2 regulations produce more CO2, CO and sub micron. particulates Co2 is a greenhouse gas, CO is another but is lethal in concentrations. SubMicron level particultates Cancer. " Currently Emisssion Levels are now close too Tier 2" US Tier 2 are less stringent as a result they have not been adopted globally. If US regulations were they way to go, there would be no problem in adopting them, but they are not.

We are not discussing if the US regulation is or isn't the way to go so quit trying to change the subject to fit your "We do things better than the US" narrative. That fact is, you stating that the Euro 6 emission regulation us more strict than the US is completely and utterly false. The US has more strict NOx regulation while have the same PM regulation. This is why Euro diesels have to have their emissions modified to come here and US vehicles being sold elsewhere don't.

I have posted many articles backing this up and you have posted nothing backing up your claims so prove it or quit spreading false info just because you hate the US.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

I have read that and it is roughly a 100pge PDF. It talks about the past not current regulations. European Standards have the difficulty of several enforcers,US just the EPA. Euro Emission standards on the other hand have been adopted across the Globe, but not the US standards. We follow many US practices ,but not the Tier Dmission standards

I guess you missed where it said.....
"Currently the “Euro 6” emissions rules are being
implemented. These require nitrogen oxides emissions in 2017 to be 90 percent below
1992 levels. Those emissions standards are less stringent than current US standards."

Europe is currently in Euro 6 and the US and Canadian current NOx standards are more stringent than the current Euro 6.

Obviously you did not see that Tier 2 regulations produce more CO2, CO and sub micron. particulates Co2 is a greenhouse gas, CO is another but is lethal in concentrations. SubMicron level particultates Cancer. " Currently Emisssion Levels are now close too Tier 2" US Tier 2 are less stringent as a result they have not been adopted globally. If US regulations were they way to go, there would be no problem in adopting them, but they are not.

RobertRyan wrote:

I have read that and it is roughly a 100pge PDF. It talks about the past not current regulations. European Standards have the difficulty of several enforcers,US just the EPA. Euro Emission standards on the other hand have been adopted across the Globe, but not the US standards. We follow many US practices ,but not the Tier Dmission standards

I guess you missed where it said.....
"Currently the “Euro 6” emissions rules are being
implemented. These require nitrogen oxides emissions in 2017 to be 90 percent below
1992 levels. Those emissions standards are less stringent than current US standards."

Europe is currently in Euro 6 and the US and Canadian current NOx standards are more stringent than the current Euro 6.

ShinerBock wrote:
Comparing US and EU Approaches to Regulating
Automotive Emissions and Fuel Economy

"Compared to the United States, the European Union came late to regulating vehicle
emissions of local air pollutants. It started with the so-called “Euro 1” requirements that
set nitrogen oxides emissions limits to 0.78 g/km in 1992. Catalytic converters were
required in new cars in the European Union at the beginning of the 1990s, and the sale
of leaded fuel was largely prohibited across the region by 2000. The United States was ahead
of the European Union by a decade on both accounts. In the United States catalytic
converters were ubiquitous in new cars by the early 1990s and leaded gasoline was nearly
phased out entirely by 1990. Currently the “Euro 6” emissions rules are being
implemented. These require nitrogen oxides emissions in 2017 to be 90 percent below
1992 levels. Those emissions standards are less stringent than current US standards.

Comparison of US and EU
programs to control lightduty
vehicle emissions

"Conlusion:

-Compliance and enforcement is the most critical aspect of all
regulations and the key to success of US and CA policies
- US/CA programs are both more complex and more rigorous
while providing more flexibilities to manufacturers
§ Bin system encourages manufacturers to design and market
increasingly clean vehicles
§ Footprint-based GHG standards reward weight reduction
§ Enforcement is a real threat, standards are very detailed to eliminate
loopholes
§ OBD enforcement mechanisms both reduce ability to cheat and
increase increase information to regulators (defect reporting
requirements)
-European LEZs have been effective in reducing air pollution in
key areas and accelerating fleet turnover

I have read that and it is roughly a 100pge PDF. It talks about the past not current regulations. European Standards have the difficulty of several enforcers,US just the EPA. Euro Emission standards on the other hand have been adopted across the Globe, but not the US standards. We follow many US practices ,but not the Tier Dmission standards