FCA Receives Certification for EcoDiesel

Comparing US and EU Approaches to Regulating
Automotive Emissions and Fuel Economy

"Compared to the United States, the European Union came late to regulating vehicle
emissions of local air pollutants. It started with the so-called “Euro 1” requirements that
set nitrogen oxides emissions limits to 0.78 g/km in 1992. Catalytic converters were
required in new cars in the European Union at the beginning of the 1990s, and the sale
of leaded fuel was largely prohibited across the region by 2000. The United States was ahead
of the European Union by a decade on both accounts. In the United States catalytic
converters were ubiquitous in new cars by the early 1990s and leaded gasoline was nearly
phased out entirely by 1990. Currently the “Euro 6” emissions rules are being
implemented. These require nitrogen oxides emissions in 2017 to be 90 percent below
1992 levels. Those emissions standards are less stringent than current US standards.

Comparison of US and EU
programs to control lightduty
vehicle emissions

"Conlusion:

-Compliance and enforcement is the most critical aspect of all
regulations and the key to success of US and CA policies
- US/CA programs are both more complex and more rigorous
while providing more flexibilities to manufacturers
§ Bin system encourages manufacturers to design and market
increasingly clean vehicles
§ Footprint-based GHG standards reward weight reduction
§ Enforcement is a real threat, standards are very detailed to eliminate
loopholes
§ OBD enforcement mechanisms both reduce ability to cheat and
increase increase information to regulators (defect reporting
requirements)
-European LEZs have been effective in reducing air pollution in
key areas and accelerating fleet turnover

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

No the chart does not show that. Euro6 has the same level of Nox. But US diesels are deficient in particulates and CO2. As a result they are classified as Euro4. Need modifications to make Euro5 standard for imports of more than 100 vehicles

Why do you keep making false statements over and over again even when shown the truth. The chart does show the PM and NOx differences between Euro 6 and the current US regulation.

If this were true, then the Ram 2500/3500 Cummins would need emissions modifications or would lose power ratings when sold in Australia. It does not because US regulations are more strict than Euro 6 just as the charts I posted shows. If you don't believe me then call Ram Australia or ASV.

Got news for you, read my prior posts, it does if they are to sell more than 100 vehicles. If a limited importer no they do not.I thought you would have mentioned this earlier
RAM Australia have to comply to Australian regulations Euro 5 IF they are going into "serial production"
Current Tier 2 US Diesels do not meet EuroV regulations. As a result a Tier 2 engine is regarded as a " dirty " engine, because of excess CO2, CO emissions and sub micron particultes

RobertRyan wrote:

No the chart does not show that. Euro6 has the same level of Nox. But US diesels are deficient in particulates and CO2. As a result they are classified as Euro4. Need modifications to make Euro5 standard for imports of more than 100 vehicles

Why do you keep making false statements over and over again even when shown the truth. The chart does show the PM and NOx differences between Euro 6 and the current US regulation.

If this were true, then the Ram 2500/3500 Cummins would need emissions modifications or would lose power ratings when sold in Australia. It does not because US regulations are more strict than Euro 6 just as the charts I posted shows. If you don't believe me then call Ram Australia or ASV.

And this is the point I quit reading these threads.

brulaz wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Flashman wrote:
I always thought that the reason we don't have more diesels in the US is because of the difficulty of passing the EPA restrictions. Other countries seem to have more diesels as a percentage of cars on the road.

More a " hysteria " about Diesels in the US, that limits their uptake . Also Diesels are considerably dearer in the US than other countries

Some of that "hysteria" has migrated to Europe at least:
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/27/vw-to-offer-refit-4-million-diesel-cars/
And Mercedes is also offering to refit their diesels.

Thanks to those US scientists who caught VW in their lies and the US gov (including the current head of EPA) for prosecuting them.

EDIT: More Euro Diesel "hysteria"

It would seem that the " hysteria" has died down. Seeing over 40% in Europe as againstv 2% in the US, use diesels.FCA has somehow managed to escape prosecution although they were caught out by the EPA and a independent lab for cheating. How they " miraculously" became clean is of interest as FCA produces RAM Pickups a major component of the US vehicle production.
" Evil" VW the company behind the initial controversy has just been bumped from N1 Globally by the Renault Alliance although the positions between VW, Renault and Toyota fluctuate for N0.1 Toyota is No3. GM has fallen to No.4

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

They certainly are not as strict and US compliant cannot be sold herr or in Europe.. Well US sales are a matter of hysteria, something that does not exist outside NA.
VM Motori is an Italian manufacturer of diesels, .RAM 3litre is built in Italy, it is a European engine that is sold globally , although it's US regs differ

This is false. The US has a stricter NOx requirement than even the new Euro 6

Although, none of this has anything to do with the topic which is about this engine being sold in the US, not anywhere else.

Glad we are talking about that as the US emphasis differs from the Global regs. Same engine different tune for the Global verson. Italian engine tuned for differing pollution regs
Your website does not even mention Nox. By the way that is a very dated chart

You might want to look at the last two charts again and what the lines mean. It is clear to see that the current diesel NOx limit is lower for the US than the current Euro 6 while the PM are the same. This is why most diesels in the US use SCR/DEF and most European vehicles don't. Not only is our NOx limit lower, but our drive cycle for our test are at higher speeds.

Also, the chart is dated from 2016 which was the last major change in regulation. Those standards still apply today. You are just trying to discredit it because it doesn't coincide with what you want to be true. The fact is our emissions have been lower than the EU regs for most of the last 20 years besides a few years in between stages(Tiers). This is why most diesels that are sold elsewhere are not sold here, and if there are sold here then they require extra emissions equipment like an SCR.

No the chart does not show that. Euro6 has the same level of Nox. But US diesels are deficient in particulates , CO( twice the level than Euro limits)and CO2. As a result they are classified as Euro4. Need modifications to make Euro5 standard for imports of more than 100 vehicles

RobertRyan wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

They certainly are not as strict and US compliant cannot be sold herr or in Europe.. Well US sales are a matter of hysteria, something that does not exist outside NA.
VM Motori is an Italian manufacturer of diesels, .RAM 3litre is built in Italy, it is a European engine that is sold globally , although it's US regs differ

This is false. The US has a stricter NOx requirement than even the new Euro 6

Although, none of this has anything to do with the topic which is about this engine being sold in the US, not anywhere else.

Glad we are talking about that as the US emphasis differs from the Global regs. Same engine different tune for the Global verson. Italian engine tuned for differing pollution regs
Your website does not even mention Nox. By the way that is a very dated chart

You might want to look at the last two charts again and what the lines mean. It is clear to see that the current diesel NOx limit is lower for the US than the current Euro 6 while the PM are the same. This is why most diesels in the US use SCR/DEF and most European vehicles don't. Not only is our NOx limit lower, but our drive cycle for our test are at higher speeds.

Also, the chart is dated from 2016 which was the last major change in regulation. Those standards still apply today. You are just trying to discredit it because it doesn't coincide with what you want to be true. The fact is our emissions have been lower than the EU regs for most of the last 20 years besides a few years in between stages(Tiers). This is why most diesels that are sold elsewhere are not sold here, and if there are sold here then they require extra emissions equipment like an SCR.

RobertRyan wrote:

Flashman wrote:
I always thought that the reason we don't have more diesels in the US is because of the difficulty of passing the EPA restrictions. Other countries seem to have more diesels as a percentage of cars on the road.

More a " hysteria " about Diesels in the US, that limits their uptake . Also Diesels are considerably dearer in the US than other countries

Some of that "hysteria" has migrated to Europe at least:
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/27/vw-to-offer-refit-4-million-diesel-cars/
And Mercedes is also offering to refit their diesels.

Thanks to those US scientists who caught VW in their lies and the US gov (including the current head of EPA) for prosecuting them.

EDIT: More Euro Diesel "hysteria"

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

They certainly are not as strict and US compliant cannot be sold herr or in Europe.. Well US sales are a matter of hysteria, something that does not exist outside NA.
VM Motori is an Italian manufacturer of diesels, .RAM 3litre is built in Italy, it is a European engine that is sold globally , although it's US regs differ

This is false. The US has a stricter NOx requirement than even the new Euro 6

Although, none of this has anything to do with the topic which is about this engine being sold in the US, not anywhere else.

Glad we are talking about that as the US emphasis differs from the Global regs. Same engine different tune for the Global verson. Italian engine tuned for differing pollution regs
Your website does not even mention Nox. By the way that is a very dated chart

RobertRyan wrote:

They certainly are not as strict and US compliant cannot be sold herr or in Europe.. Well US sales are a matter of hysteria, something that does not exist outside NA.
VM Motori is an Italian manufacturer of diesels, .RAM 3litre is built in Italy, it is a European engine that is sold globally , although it's US regs differ

This is false. The US has a stricter NOx requirement than even the new Euro 6 requirement.

Global Comparison: Light-duty Emissions

Although, none of this has anything to do with the topic which is about this engine being sold in the US, not anywhere else.