First drive Ram 1500 diesel

CT51 wrote:
What really lit me off was the statement that a Ford has to be better because they sell more. So, a Camry has to be the best mid sized car? Corolla has to be the best small car? Good cars for sure, but definitely not for me.

Why yes, the Camry would be the best. Why? Because it sells the most so it's best for the most people. I don't even like Toyota and I'll concede that. And the best small car would be the Focus for 2 years running. Why? It sold the most worldwide. :)

I hate WalMart with a passion but I'll concede they are the best retailer. Why? Cause they fill the needs of the most people.

mich800 wrote:

What is more silly is the know it all's killed another otherwise good tread. We all know who they are and they seem like they have zero self control. If you don't like Ford, Ram, or other it serves no purpose to attempt to cut them down in an effort to prop up your brand. That combined with some that claim to have some inside track on when, how, and where of a project before the general public is laughable. Just because you work somewhere does not mean you are privy to the business plans of the company and when they started or conceived of a project.

If this is directed at me Mich, I have NO inside track as to GM or Ford.

Fact, One of the first things Fiat did after they took over Chrysler was to set out to improve our EPA ratings. They looked at the power train divisions and decided a transmission upgrade was needed. So why do all the engineering in house when you have so much cra;p to fix from the Dame-Liar decade. So they went with an off the shelf tried and true ZF 8 speed. They also asked them to work with our engineers on the 9 speed. It was a year and half after Fiat/Chrysler announced the new transmissions that GM and Ford announced their partnership to build a 9 and 10 speed. Does not take a brain surgeon to figure out they got caught with their pants down around their knees now does it.

Don

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

Hate to rain on your parade but the Eco-Diesel is only a $2850 up charge over the Hemi your pile of cash just got a whole lot smaller. LMAO

Hate to rain on your parade but I went over to ram trucks.com and built a 2014 SLT crew cab and the Diesel is a $4000 option over the base engine. The Hemi costs $1150 over the base. OUCH!

For a 2014 F150 XLT Supercrew, the 5.0 costs $1000 over the base and the Ecoboost costs $2095.

I know which one I'd pick day in and day out. I suspect America will agree with me.

In the nine years I have been reading this forum, this thread is the most pathetic I have seen. Why grown men would be threatened by the features and technology of a competing manufacturers product is beyond me. Hasn't it occurred to some of you guys that the reason "your" product is as good as it is is because of the pressure from the competition? Really, it's "OK" for all the brands to be good. Choose the one you like for it's looks, features, technology that works for you etc. One person's best choice isn't necessarily someone else's. What really lit me off was the statement that a Ford has to be better because they sell more. So, a Camry has to be the best mid sized car? Corolla has to be the best small car? Good cars for sure, but definitely not for me.

CT51

Hybridhunter wrote:
Hmmm. Back to trucks for a second.....
A couple posters made the point that comparing 240 hp (boring), to 360 hp is not reasonable. Lets compare the base engines from the Ram, or F150 to the Eco diesel.... As always, the luddites will be scared of the rpms the gassers run, but the fact is, the eco-diesel is MINIMUM $4K more to buy, Diesel is ALWAYS 15% more expensive most places I go, and even the base engines have 300hp, and they are faster with a load or without. Mileage will be more comparable as well.
I'll take a sub 8 second 0-60, 6K+ tow rating, and a higher payload the F150 offers, for almost $5K less, and go hog wild with the pile of cash I saved.

Hate to rain on your parade but the Eco-Diesel is only a $2850 up charge over the Hemi your pile of cash just got a whole lot smaller. LMAO

don

Hmmm. Back to trucks for a second.....
A couple posters made the point that comparing 240 hp (boring), to 360 hp is not reasonable. Lets compare the base engines from the Ram, or F150 to the Eco diesel.... As always, the luddites will be scared of the rpms the gassers run, but the fact is, the eco-diesel is MINIMUM $4K more to buy, Diesel is ALWAYS 15% more expensive most places I go, and even the base engines have 300hp, and they are faster with a load or without. Mileage will be more comparable as well.
I'll take a sub 8 second 0-60, 6K+ tow rating, and a higher payload the F150 offers, for almost $5K less, and go hog wild with the pile of cash I saved.

NC Hauler wrote:
Some have the mentality that if it's not made in the USA, that is outsourcing and costing Americans thousands of jobs.....Heck, Volvo, Mercedes, BMW outsource from us...tickles me to death to get their business..We ship calipers to a VW plant in Mexico....one good turn deserves another...

Arent the Ford 6.7 made in Mexico?

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
The trend with RAM trucks is they continue to outsource there engines and transmissions.

Says the Ford man, who built ALL of Ford's diesel engines for years and years? Nav who? VM diesel is owned by Fiat,as in "in house". Our 8 and 9 speeds are ZF transmissions built by us using their design with our input. So by that standard the new Ford/GM transmissions coming down the pike some time late 2014-2015 are not in house then right Troy?

Yep we use the Cummins 5.9 and now 6.7 to the ENVY of Ford and GM. Hell Ford even bought up Cummins stock in an effort to get their hands on their engines. Didn't work out to well for them and they soon sold off their shears in Cummins.

Fiat had joint ventures with GM and Ford long before Chrysler. So whats the point of your post Troy?

Don

Aloe vera; yes Troy, that is what I recommend, because aloe vera works great for burns. :B

rjstractor wrote:
This is getting kind of silly. Everybody outsources, has for years. Almost every OEM under the sun uses or has used an Aisin (basically a Toyota subsidiary) transmission in one or more of their vehicles, Ford has used Toyota technology in some of their hybrids, GM has used Honda engines (Saturn Vue), VW sells a minivan that is a rebadged Dodge Caravan, on and on and on.

True, this.

My 2007 Volvo XC90 uses a Yamaha-designed V8 engine and an Aisin 6-speed transmission.

My 2 favorite things about the car?

The Yamaha-designed V8 & the Aisin 6-speed :C

Sometimes I feel like the electricals/electronics on my 2008 F250 were outsourced to Radio Shack but that's a story for another time.

Outsourcing is not always a bad thing, at least for the consumer.

rjstractor wrote:
This is getting kind of silly. Everybody outsources, has for years. Almost every OEM under the sun uses or has used an Aisin (basically a Toyota subsidiary) transmission in one or more of their vehicles, Ford has used Toyota technology in some of their hybrids, GM has used Honda engines (Saturn Vue), VW sells a minivan that is a rebadged Dodge Caravan, on and on and on.

What is more silly is the know it all's killed another otherwise good tread. We all know who they are and they seem like they have zero self control. If you don't like Ford, Ram, or other it serves no purpose to attempt to cut them down in an effort to prop up your brand. That combined with some that claim to have some inside track on when, how, and where of a project before the general public is laughable. Just because you work somewhere does not mean you are privy to the business plans of the company and when they started or conceived of a project.