First drive Ram 1500 diesel

It's interesting how certain people continuously cherry pick their data to re-enforce their views and always arrive at the SAME conclusion, regardless of the actual conversation.

Sure. The original link I posted was from the Pickuptrucks.com 2013 light duty challenge for reference in comparison to their drive of the Ecodiesel Ram.

I also quoted their article as well. Any discussion of the fuel economy of this Diesel is not complete without discussing the competition which includes gas engines. It makes sense to use the same website for these comparisons as they tend to drive the same loops, use the same drivers, etc.

The fact is the Ram Diesel doesn't get that great fuel economy towing and marginally better unloaded. Just as I thought when we discussed this last month.

I've found pickuptrucks.com reviews to be good and mirror other reviews on the net. Or is the only one you trust Motor Trend?

Care to click on the link I quoted from you, it is for gas trucks now you post up a different link for the VM diesel? Pick a link any link, and BTW like I just just posted Pickuptrucks.com is kinda of a joke IMO.

Don

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Pickupstrucks.com has Mike Levine as a writer, you know the number one mouth piece for Ford, so anything they print becomes very suspicious. Every single article I have read that, that guy writes is an ad for Ford Motor Company.

You're running our of gas and diesel....

Mike's Goodbye, from 2011

And BTW: pickuptrucks.com is part of cars.com too. Do they have a Ford bias too?

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Pickupstrucks.com has Mike Levine as a writer, you know the number one mouth piece for Ford, so anything they print becomes very suspicious. Every single article I have read that, that guy writes is an ad for Ford Motor Company.

Don

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


Your link is for the GAS RAM not the diesel the diesel and before you start pumping up chest thinking your Ego-Boost is all that read this form your link!!!

Uh, no the link I provided is from the pickuptrucks.com first drive of the Ecodiesel Ram 1500. Since they also tested the Hemi and are the same drivers, it is good to compare their economy from the gas to the Diesel. That was the purpose. Instead of swooning over this engine, you should see how it compares to the gas engine and the competition. That is why I provided the gas link. Once you see that you see this id not the holy grail you want it to be.

Here you go again in case you lost it:
Pickuptrucks.com Ram EcoDiesel First Drive

And here's the quote from that article:

Once out of the mountain roads, we kept a steady 50 mph average along the scenic Pacific Coast Highway, where we saw our average fuel economy creep up to 26 mpg (remember, that includes our climb up the canyons and then back down), but out on the highway, cruising at freeway speeds (in California, that’s about 70 mph), we saw the instantaneous readouts tell us we were getting between 24 and 26 mpg. If we had to guess where the EPA ratings will land, we wouldn’t be surprised to see 20 city and 29 or 30 highway.

We did get a chance to take some shorter loops later in the day with a Laramie 4x4 with the EcoDiesel; when navigating the wide open city streets on our 12-mile test loop, we averaged 42 mph and 22.7 mpg.

We also got a chance to do a bit of towing. Ram provided us with a small boat and trailer (weighing about 3,000 pounds) for us to drive the urban 12-mile route. We managed to get 15.4 mpg under load in tow mode. In fact, it was while towing that we saw a little of the EcoDiesel’s shine come off the finish. We found that even under the relatively light load of a small boat, the response of the transmission seemed sluggish.

So it got poor fuel economy towing a light, areodynamic boat. Hate to see how it does towing an RV or a box trailer like a landscaper or carpenter might use. Probably will not even break even on the Diesel.

And you don't have to answer that one because you've already said that Ram doesn't want you to tow an RV with their 1500 - that's what the HD is for.

Talk about a hater, man dude you must have rally gotten screwed of by a Chrysler dealer at some point in time. Maybe some therapy with a shrink would help you get over it.

Talk about a fanboy - you should look in the mirror I know Chrysler puts food on your table but they swung and missed yet again with this one. I now know why they have been coy with the fuel economy numbers all this time....

Ya right. A ram Hemi "bogged down" with 4000lbs behind it. That right there makes me question how biased the author is.

itguy08 wrote:
As I said before the fuel economy is not that great...

They were getting 22.7 unloaded and 15.4 towing a 3,000 lb Boat! Are you kidding me?

PUT got: 2013 Light Duty Challenge

22.3 unloaded in an Ecoboost F150 and 10.9 towing 8,500 lbs.
21.7 in a Ram Hemi unloded and 10.4 towing 8.500 lbs.

Shwing and a miss....

From the OP's link:
One thing that sets diesels apart from gas engines is the way they seem to shrug off heavy loads. We towed a 3,800 lb. boat with the diesel Ram, and it didn't bog down under the weight the way the gas-powered RAM 1500 does. Properly configured, the 1500 diesel can tow up to 9,200 lbs.

What about economy? Ram did not have final EPA numbers at the time of our test drive, but they said the EcoDiesel will exceed the gas V6's best-in-class rating of 18 MPG city and 25 MPG highway. We'd guess the final figures will be around 20 in town and 28 on the highway, and we saw 24 MPG in mixed city and country driving.

Whether the diesel will save money in the long run is another question. Ram is charging a $4,500 price premium for the diesel engine over the gasoline V6. If our guesstimates about fuel economy are correct, with the diesel delivering 4 MPG better than the gas V6, it would take over two decades for the diesel to pay for itself. The comparison against the 5.7 liter HEMI V8 is a bit more favorable: The diesel is priced $2,850 higher and with a projected improvement of 7 MPG, the payoff would come in just under 5 years. (Our figures are based on national average fuel prices of $3.62/gallon for gasoline and $3.97 for diesel.) No where does it say the VM 3.0 got 22.7 unloaded and 15.4 towing a 3,000 lb Boat!

Your link is for the GAS RAM not the diesel the diesel and before you start pumping up chest thinking your Ego-Boost is all that read this form your link!!!

When trailering at or near maximum towing capacity, the results were a little different. Winning the trailering section of our fuel economy testing was the Chevy Silverado with an impressive 12.6 mpg, and its sibling Sierra was right behind with 12.5. In third and fourth place were the Tundra with 11.8 and the Titan with 11.4. Maybe the biggest surprise here was finding out the fastest trucks in our performance testing were the worst in our trailering mileage drive. At the bottom of the group was the Ram with a dismal 10.4 while towing; the F-150 wasn't much better at 10.9.


Talk about a hater, man dude you must have rally gotten screwed of by a Chrysler dealer at some point in time. Maybe some therapy with a shrink would help you get over it.


Don

Pokey. Not for me.
"Output is 240 horsepower and 430 lb-ft of torque. That latter figure is 20 lb-ft more than the 5.7-liter Hemi gasoline V8 -- and in a pickup truck, it's the torque that gets the work done."

Apparently not. Boo.

" Ram estimates a 0-60 time of nine seconds for the diesel, versus 7.5 for the 3.6-liter gas V6 "


But the 270 ft/lb 3.6 does it in 7.5? torque shmorque
Horsepower is horsepower.