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- blofgrenExplorerThis new gasser will no doubt be great and I'm sure it will sound awesome! :B
It will be sad to see the end of the V10 and 6.2L, though. We have several of them at my work and they are all bulletproof workhorses.
I'm truly not sure what all this talk about unreliable new diesels is, though. I have had 1 sensor in the exhaust replaced on mine under warranty, but other than that it has been trouble free, and it has been worked hard pulling our 16k fiver. It pulls like a train, has no smell, and gets 10-11 mpg towing. I'm a very happy camper and I'm not at all worried when I turn the key.....:B - danrclemExplorerEarlier this year I was reading about Ford and an upcoming bigger gas engine. I probably read it on this site but I'm not sure. It was rumored that the new engine would get better fuel mileage than the 6.2. I don't know if that's true or not but it's absolutely possible.
I have a 6.2 and it meets my needs very well but I do wish that it got better fuel mileage. I'm sure no matter what any of you drive you'd like to get better mileage. A 7.3 would have more torque than a 6.2 so it should be able to pull in a higher gear so that could very well attribute to higher mileage.
I wouldn't go buy a 7.3 to pull my 10,000 gvwr camper but if I had one a little bigger than that I would. It should be able to pull what most of us own but I wouldn't expect it to get the fuel mileage of a diesel.
If a person is not driving a lot of miles or pulling something huge I see it as a good alternative to a diesel. - HammerboyExplorer
ShinerBock wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
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Yes they can break down. But they are still more reliable than the latest Gen diesels.
I go to church on sundays, but I really don’t want to pray every time I turn the key of a newer diesel!
Just because that is what you want to believe does not make it a fact. Especially when you you have no statistical data backing it up and are just going by emotion of what you want to be true. You want to see diesels as unreliable and gas engine as reliable so that is YOUR reality, but that does not make it the reality.
Well said Shiner. Reading Dodge guys posts, they can be taken seriously about as much a flat earther you tube video.
Dan - GrooverExplorer II"YES the emissions on the new diesels didn't like 1000s or hours of idling in below zero weather and literally no load operations. Didn't lose a single diesel engine or even open one up. Some had 4000hrs of mostly idling, PER SEASON."
I would suggest that you not try that with most new diesels with particulate filters. I did see an ambulance on a Ford chassis with a sticker on it about "certified clean idle" as I recall. That was several months ago but I have wondered what that means and what if any equipment was added. - JIMNLINExplorer IIIAS does thousands of haulers with a dot # out here on the road making a living with quiet long lasting new gen diesels.
The diesel still make sense today or even more cents than any gazzer in that type of work.
At one time 454/460 big block gasser ruled the road in one ton DRW type work. They gave way for GMs 8.1 and Fords V10. They too went the way of the older big block engines. That left us with high hp/high rpm smallblock engines that could not compete with the diesel for towing heavy.
Now thankfully it looks like Ford may be back in the big gasser market for 3/4 and one ton trucks and fleet 4500/5500 trucks. Move over 6.2 gaz Fords ..here come the big boys again. - Grit_dogNavigator II
Groover wrote:
I never expected this to turn into such a gas vs diesel debate. I guess that I have been lucky and have had very reliable engines compared to what most people seem to have had. Only being stranded once in 40 years of driving and raising 4 kids (none of whom has ever been stranded) seems to be very unusual. The main point of this thread is that there is a new gas engine coming out and it might be an attractive option for some people that don't really need diesels and don't want to spend the extra $8K. I think that is good news and am looking forward to it. Some people seem to feel threatened by it and I really don't understand why.
Totally! But all threads eventually turn into gas vs diesel or payload and towing capacity............ - ShinerBockExplorer
dodge guy wrote:
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Yes they can break down. But they are still more reliable than the latest Gen diesels.
I go to church on sundays, but I really don’t want to pray every time I turn the key of a newer diesel!
Just because that is what you want to believe does not make it a fact. Especially when you you have no statistical data backing it up and are just going by emotion of what you want to be true. You want to see diesels as unreliable and gas engine as reliable so that is YOUR reality, but that does not make it the reality. - GrooverExplorer III never expected this to turn into such a gas vs diesel debate. I guess that I have been lucky and have had very reliable engines compared to what most people seem to have had. Only being stranded once in 40 years of driving and raising 4 kids (none of whom has ever been stranded) seems to be very unusual. The main point of this thread is that there is a new gas engine coming out and it might be an attractive option for some people that don't really need diesels and don't want to spend the extra $8K. I think that is good news and am looking forward to it. Some people seem to feel threatened by it and I really don't understand why.
- Grit_dogNavigator IILol!
I'm sure that V10 has served you well. Never had issues with them back in the day except 1 spit spark plug on a 99? I think.
But your prolific allegiance to gas powered trucks is comical.
"Praying every day that it will start...." Hahaha
Own a few, or a few hundred, put some real miles on them and get back to us....in 10-15 years.
Personal trucks, have only had 2 "modern" diesels. I must be the luckiest guy in the world by your account. Since our known injector killing LB7 went about 150k before selling it (running fine for at least a couple years after then I lost track of it). Only repairs were a neutral safety switch (not diesel related), window regulator and a new bleed screw for the fuel filter housing.
The current old Dodge 5.9 has not been as trouble free, yet not a bad truck. Only diesel engine related problem was it needed injectors at 120k miles. It did leave us stranded, but 2 slightly weak injectors just wouldn't get er done after being parked in -10 to -30 weather for a few days and no way to warm it up. Truck fired right up once I got it back to "warm" weather, about +10deg.
Everything else has been chassis or accessory related. Well, except the known cr@p clutches in the G56 trans.....again, not diesel related.
This may not be an accurate representation of the "new" diesels, but after 2 winters in the arctic with a fleet of trucks both gassers and diesels, YES the emissions on the new diesels didn't like 1000s or hours of idling in below zero weather and literally no load operations. Didn't lose a single diesel engine or even open one up. Some had 4000hrs of mostly idling, PER SEASON. Yes a few of the crew trucks had close to 8000 engine hours and like 8000 miles! But plenty of gassers got towed into the shop at -40 as well. - dodge_guyExplorer II
ShinerBock wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
I see the diesel guys still like to spin up great stories! I love reading them because it gives me some good ideas for writing. I`m sure the 25mpg towing that I read about still happens all the time right?
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And you are not spinning stories by saying gas engine don't break down? At least we are being more realistic by saying that all engines need to be repaired at some point and not saying that gas engines are some sort of rainbow unicorns that never break down. I believe your bias is making you very irrational.
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Yes they can break down. But they are still more reliable than the latest Gen diesels.
I go to church on sundays, but I really don’t want to pray every time I turn the key of a newer diesel!
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