Ford 7.3L GASSER rumor confirmed

ShinerBock wrote:

Groover wrote:
The diesel engines themselves are fine. It is the emission systems and mostly the particulate filters that I am hearing about. The story I hear from the truckers that I know is that the new engines burn burn a third more fuel that the old ones.

Stories from truckers are just that, stories. Almost all of them don't even pay for their own fuel and certainly don't know how much fuel their truck is burning in comparison to older trucks. Truckers are like many people here, they make their decisions based on emotions and how the feel about something rather then actual data.

Groover wrote:
And there is no escaping the high carbon content of diesel which is blamed for global warming. I think that we can expect a carbon tax on diesel as soon as Trump is out of the White House. Even with the current price of diesel vs gasoline I go gasoline when I have the choice.

While diesel fuel has more carbon, gas engines actually emit higher CO2 emissions than diesel engines. That is a fact. And I can Guarantee you that your Ecoboost engines emit more particulate matter than current diesels too. Heck, they probably even emit more PM than my deleted diesel. NOx on the other hand....

Reason Europeans are not happy with Petrol/Gas engines

Plus comparing a 'car' ICE vs a 'truck' ICE

Biggest difference is in duty cycle

wnjj wrote:

colliehauler wrote:
400hp and 500tq doesn't sound that impressive for such a large motor in today's day and age. My old 66 Buick had 340hp and 445tq.

There was a different measurement method back then: https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2013/08/13/horsepower

It sounds impressive to me. Fuel mileage will be interesting.

chevman

wnjj wrote:

colliehauler wrote:
400hp and 500tq doesn't sound that impressive for such a large motor in today's day and age. My old 66 Buick had 340hp and 445tq.

There was a different measurement method back then: https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2013/08/13/horsepower

Plus it's designed and tuned for a medium duty application so it's no where near being maxed out.

Stay tuned...

colliehauler wrote:
400hp and 500tq doesn't sound that impressive for such a large motor in today's day and age. My old 66 Buick had 340hp and 445tq.

There was a different measurement method back then: https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2013/08/13/horsepower

Wow, 7 page thread on what is essentially an anonymously sourced Internet website rumor and no one, no one I tell you even thought to make popcorn. What is this world coming to???? :B

Of more interest to me is the lengthy story in the Detroit Free Press detailing Ford's debt and credit downgrade to one notch above junk, possible cash flow issues, declining fortunes in Europe and China,a looming restructuring that analysts believe may involve 11 billion in global cost cutting across the company, and the specter of a bankruptcy filing.

That's all very real ....

400hp and 500tq doesn't sound that impressive for such a large motor in today's day and age. My old 66 Buick had 340hp and 445tq.

ShinerBock wrote:

dodge guy wrote:

Engineer9860 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Groover wrote:
The diesel engines themselves are fine. It is the emission systems and mostly the particulate filters that I am hearing about. The story I hear from the truckers that I know is that the new engines burn burn a third more fuel that the old ones.

Stories from truckers are just that, stories. Almost all of them don't even pay for their own fuel and certainly don't know how much fuel their truck is burning in comparison to older trucks. Truckers are like many people here, they make their decisions based on emotions and how the feel about something rather then actual data.

If you are not a trucker you shouldn’t be speaking on their behalf with such broad generalizations.

I’m a trucker and I can tell you that the drivers are very much in tune with their trucks. While many truckers don’t pay for their fuel directly (most don’t own their trucks like I do) they are encouraged to save fuel through fuel bonuses. Fuel is a major percentage of a trucking company’s operations.

I own a 2007 Freightliner Century. I am getting ready to spend $300 on a wheel alignment simply as a preventative maintenance measure. With fuel at $3./gal, and the miles ran, the return on a $300 alignment will be realized in about 6 months in fuel savings and reduced tire wear........and that’s based on actual data, not emotions.

We really need a like button!

Yes, and a dumb arse button.

That button would be worn out in a week or less! LOL

dodge guy wrote:

Engineer9860 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Groover wrote:
The diesel engines themselves are fine. It is the emission systems and mostly the particulate filters that I am hearing about. The story I hear from the truckers that I know is that the new engines burn burn a third more fuel that the old ones.

Stories from truckers are just that, stories. Almost all of them don't even pay for their own fuel and certainly don't know how much fuel their truck is burning in comparison to older trucks. Truckers are like many people here, they make their decisions based on emotions and how the feel about something rather then actual data.

If you are not a trucker you shouldn’t be speaking on their behalf with such broad generalizations.

I’m a trucker and I can tell you that the drivers are very much in tune with their trucks. While many truckers don’t pay for their fuel directly (most don’t own their trucks like I do) they are encouraged to save fuel through fuel bonuses. Fuel is a major percentage of a trucking company’s operations.

I own a 2007 Freightliner Century. I am getting ready to spend $300 on a wheel alignment simply as a preventative maintenance measure. With fuel at $3./gal, and the miles ran, the return on a $300 alignment will be realized in about 6 months in fuel savings and reduced tire wear........and that’s based on actual data, not emotions.

We really need a like button!

Yes, and a dumb arse button.

Engineer9860 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Groover wrote:
The diesel engines themselves are fine. It is the emission systems and mostly the particulate filters that I am hearing about. The story I hear from the truckers that I know is that the new engines burn burn a third more fuel that the old ones.

Stories from truckers are just that, stories. Almost all of them don't even pay for their own fuel and certainly don't know how much fuel their truck is burning in comparison to older trucks. Truckers are like many people here, they make their decisions based on emotions and how the feel about something rather then actual data.

If you are not a trucker you shouldn’t be speaking on their behalf with such broad generalizations.

I’m a trucker and I can tell you that the drivers are very much in tune with their trucks. While many truckers don’t pay for their fuel directly (most don’t own their trucks like I do) they are encouraged to save fuel through fuel bonuses. Fuel is a major percentage of a trucking company’s operations.

I own a 2007 Freightliner Century. I am getting ready to spend $300 on a wheel alignment simply as a preventative maintenance measure. With fuel at $3./gal, and the miles ran, the return on a $300 alignment will be realized in about 6 months in fuel savings and reduced tire wear........and that’s based on actual data, not emotions.

Actually I was a "trucker" for a short period of time before the Navy and college. Before that I have been in or around the trucking industry all my life. From my uncle Cotton working for and later retiring from Central freight lines and all the "stories" he had to my time listening to old milk haulers as a wash bay boy cleaning milk tankers for Reynold's Nationwide in high school. Then there was the old cattle haulers I had to listen to when they picked up cattle at the stock yards.

I also had to listen to truck drivers again later in my career working at a Ford medium/heavy duty(back when Ford built heavy duty class 8 trucks) dealership and later working for Ford. I also worked for Kenworth, Cummins, Peterbilt, and now the largest medium and heavy duty truck dealer group in the world. So I have been in the medium and heavy duty trucking industry dang near all my life and have spoken with every kind of trucker from your heavy haul to your local day cab driver during that time.

If there is one thing I have learned from them is that they are just like many people here in the fact that their facts are driven by emotions and NOT by actual data because they don't care enough to record the actal data. Those owner operators that actually pay for their fuel and record the data I will actually listen to in regards to changes in fuel economy, but your average Celedon, Parkway, or Swift driver (which is the majority) that just slips the fuel card without a care in the world because they are not paying for it..... NO.