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Hybridhunter
May 02, 2018Explorer
With 250 hp across a broad range, extra gears don't really help overall power delivery, only efficiency. The PSD makes almost full power significantly below peak rpm. Gears don't add horsepower, I can't follow why others can't follow that concept.
If the diesel crowd would just acknowledge this is an expensive and pokey truck, and will be really pokey when doing anything other than towing at steady speeds on level roads, perhaps the discussion could move past hype and hyperbole, into the realm of the advantages of the diesel, because pretending that power is one of them is comical. Passing and accelerating once out of 1st gear, is all about horsepower, hence the reason all industrial motors are rated by the work they can do......In horsepower.
For example, I drive a PSD Transit 250 with 185 hp, a turbo diesel. I clocked it for argument sake, as it has a higher power to weight ratio than an F150 diesel with a 5000lb boat, and certainly less wind drag. It takes 22 seconds to get to 60 mph, passing is virtually impossible when there is wind or grade of any type. I know exactly how hopeless vehicles feel when they get into the 40lbs+ lb to hp ratio. The upside, good mileage(will never pay the cost of the engine option, but whatever), and it holds a gear well, and runs low rpm.
Compared against a fleet average with identical gas vans, with shorter gears, the mileage is about 15% better, operational costs; due to diesel being more expensive (~10%), maintenance and DEF is virtually the same. 80/20 highway /city, driven 100 miles a day on average. Longevity? Who cares, who wants a vehicle with over 150 000 miles that actually gets used? No one. Oh, and it's currently leaking oil from the turbo outlet (charge pipe).
So there, I live the diesel life with the duty cycle and usage that everyone claims works great for diesel, and hate it. Total waste of money, terrible to drive, noisy, stinky, bad in the cold, horribly slow into the wind, $130 oil changes (yes, I choose to do them myself). Straight trade for a 3.7L - 3.73 geared transit 250, I'd take it any day of the week ending with y. The Transit gas engine van is genuinely a nice vehicle, ruined by the PSD. I see the F150 as the same thing, and none of the specs or reviews suggest otherwise, or any area of superiority over the awesome gas engines.
Hater's gonna hate, sure, but to me, I just like nice stuff that does the job. I might even take on a beauty of an 2016 F250..... PSD with tons of power and decent mileage, now that's a diesel that I'd like to drive, and makes sense, maybe not dollars and cents, but it flat out works.
If the diesel crowd would just acknowledge this is an expensive and pokey truck, and will be really pokey when doing anything other than towing at steady speeds on level roads, perhaps the discussion could move past hype and hyperbole, into the realm of the advantages of the diesel, because pretending that power is one of them is comical. Passing and accelerating once out of 1st gear, is all about horsepower, hence the reason all industrial motors are rated by the work they can do......In horsepower.
For example, I drive a PSD Transit 250 with 185 hp, a turbo diesel. I clocked it for argument sake, as it has a higher power to weight ratio than an F150 diesel with a 5000lb boat, and certainly less wind drag. It takes 22 seconds to get to 60 mph, passing is virtually impossible when there is wind or grade of any type. I know exactly how hopeless vehicles feel when they get into the 40lbs+ lb to hp ratio. The upside, good mileage(will never pay the cost of the engine option, but whatever), and it holds a gear well, and runs low rpm.
Compared against a fleet average with identical gas vans, with shorter gears, the mileage is about 15% better, operational costs; due to diesel being more expensive (~10%), maintenance and DEF is virtually the same. 80/20 highway /city, driven 100 miles a day on average. Longevity? Who cares, who wants a vehicle with over 150 000 miles that actually gets used? No one. Oh, and it's currently leaking oil from the turbo outlet (charge pipe).
So there, I live the diesel life with the duty cycle and usage that everyone claims works great for diesel, and hate it. Total waste of money, terrible to drive, noisy, stinky, bad in the cold, horribly slow into the wind, $130 oil changes (yes, I choose to do them myself). Straight trade for a 3.7L - 3.73 geared transit 250, I'd take it any day of the week ending with y. The Transit gas engine van is genuinely a nice vehicle, ruined by the PSD. I see the F150 as the same thing, and none of the specs or reviews suggest otherwise, or any area of superiority over the awesome gas engines.
Hater's gonna hate, sure, but to me, I just like nice stuff that does the job. I might even take on a beauty of an 2016 F250..... PSD with tons of power and decent mileage, now that's a diesel that I'd like to drive, and makes sense, maybe not dollars and cents, but it flat out works.
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