Forum Discussion
Grit dog wrote:
Have you ever driven I-80 and I-76 between Chicago and Denver across Illinois, Iowa, and Nebraska? Do you really believe that it is all downhill and that there was a continuous tailwind? I used that example because it was the longest trip I have taken in that truck without towing my trailer.
fanrgs wrote:
The 6.7L Cummins in my all-steel, 3/4-ton 4x4 Ram got a calculated 23.4 MPG on a 1,000-mile all-Interstate highway trip from Denver to Chicago (not towing!).
Yeah terrific. I have 3 words for mpg claims like that. Tail-wind and downhill! Oh and you were probably slugging along in the right lane at 62.4 mph. Love these mpg claims.
But, on a shorter trip without the trailer last winter, we drove the Ram 2500 diesel on a week-long trip from Las Cruces to Big Bend NP and back on a variety of Interstate, US, and state highways, plus through the Davis Mountains and on park roads. We drove at or above the speed limit on all those roads and our average mileage for the entire round-trip was 22.7. And we certainly didn't go downhill and have a tailwind in both directions!
I track the mileage in the Ram because I have had four gas pickups, including two Fords, before this diesel and I am constantly amazed at how much better my mileage is than in any of the others.Grit dog wrote:
Some just feel the need to chit on anything that isn’t theirs......it’s either jealousy or grumpy old man syndrome!
Hehehehehehehe........and some just feel the need to chit on things that are theirs, or were theirs, once in awhile. My 2013 f150 was the last FMC product ole Ralph will ever own, and I wear that badge proudly. Gas, diesel, electric, hybrid, nuclear, hydrogen, natural gas don't matter, and neither does it having 20 hp or 2000, or getting 30 mpg or 3. Enjoy.mich800 wrote:
Terryallan wrote:
From the stats Ford has released. the Diesel gives you LESS of everything for 2500 bucks MORE than the V6 Ecoboost..
V6 EcoBoost 375 HP..470 FP Torque.. Tow capacity 13,200lb. 23 MPG
Diesel..... 250 HP..440 FP torque.. Tow Capacity 11,400lb. 30 MPG
Only up side is the 7 MPG more, Less with 4x4. But you know. You can buy a whole lot of gas for $2500.00. More than enough to make the V6 Ecoboost the preferred engine.
I think people get too wrapped up in the towing capacity for the small diesels. These are not work trucks. I have said it before. The diesel option in modern cars and smaller trucks (half ton and down) people are just pre-paying for fuel. Now if people keep them long enough and put enough miles on them they will come out ahead.
how long would it take for the Diesel option to pay off? I'm thinkin 20 years. Not really worth it.
Me. I don't need either. I have the 5.0. More than enough for me. And I have better engine braking than the V6, or diesel. Unless the diesel comes with an exhaust brake. not sure it does.rjstractor wrote:
fanrgs wrote:
Thought this post was interesting--a 1/2-ton 4x4 truck with an aluminum body and a 3.0L turbodiesel V-6 getting 25 MPG. The 6.7L Cummins in my all-steel, 3/4-ton 4x4 Ram got a calculated 23.4 MPG on a 1,000-mile all-Interstate highway trip from Denver to Chicago (not towing!). Not much difference considering my truck weighs a ton more and the engine is more than twice as large.
That's terrific mileage for sure. Most HD diesel pickups don't do quite that well. As far as the diesel F150 goes, an EPA rating is just a rating. In similar driving conditions many drivers of Ram Ecodiesels report 30+ mpg, and I imagine the Ford will do just as well. Mileage will be the main selling point in this class, since the little diesels don't offer the huge towing performance advantage that their counterparts in the HD trucks offer.
Yeah terrific. I have 3 words for mpg claims like that. Tail-wind and downhill! Oh and you were probably slugging along in the right lane at 62.4mph. Love these mpg claims.
I can get 30 mpg hand calc on my old Cummins on Snoqualmie Pass! Down hill at 60 mph.......
The beauty of the world we live in is you can have virtually ANY combination of truck your heart desires. Some just feel the need to chit on anything that isn’t theirs......it’s either jealousy or grumpy old man syndrome!Terryallan wrote:
From the stats Ford has released. the Diesel gives you LESS of everything for 2500 bucks MORE than the V6 Ecoboost..
V6 EcoBoost 375 HP..470 FP Torque.. Tow capacity 13,200lb. 23 MPG
Diesel..... 250 HP..440 FP torque.. Tow Capacity 11,400lb. 30 MPG
Only up side is the 7 MPG more, Less with 4x4. But you know. You can buy a whole lot of gas for $2500.00. More than enough to make the V6 Ecoboost the preferred engine.
I think people get too wrapped up in the towing capacity for the small diesels. These are not work trucks. I have said it before. The diesel option in modern cars and smaller trucks (half ton and down) people are just pre-paying for fuel. Now if people keep them long enough and put enough miles on them they will come out ahead.Hammerboy wrote:
Hybridhunter wrote:
How are some people comparing features in a truck worth up to $8K, to a much less powerful, much slower, MUCH more expensive engine? I buy fairly basic trucks, and wouldn't spend more for a platinum, but if I did, it's tangible. The diesel is donkey economics with laughable power levels, unproven reliability, and expensive maintenance; not much upside there to ponder. On second thought, distronic cruise control and fan cooled seats seem like a steal!
I'm a business owner who can buy what I want, for my work vehicle, or for my wife for here winter rig (she daily drives my modded F150), and the diesel just doesn't fit any rational financial thinking. Not even close.
Oh, and our company owns 3 diesels, none of which present any clear balance sheet advantages whatsoever.
I did not buy buy diesel truck because it gets better fuel mileage. I bought it because it's simply a truck that's superior at pulling. There's a reason why people spend the money on them. It's not just dollars and cents.
Dan
However in the case of the little Ford diesel. The gas truck will out pull it. The Diesel has LESS HP, and LESS torque, and LESS towing capacity than the V6 EcoBoost.fanrgs wrote:
Thought this post was interesting--a 1/2-ton 4x4 truck with an aluminum body and a 3.0L turbodiesel V-6 getting 25 MPG. The 6.7L Cummins in my all-steel, 3/4-ton 4x4 Ram got a calculated 23.4 MPG on a 1,000-mile all-Interstate highway trip from Denver to Chicago (not towing!). Not much difference considering my truck weighs a ton more and the engine is more than twice as large.
That's terrific mileage for sure. Most HD diesel pickups don't do quite that well. As far as the diesel F150 goes, an EPA rating is just a rating. In similar driving conditions many drivers of Ram Ecodiesels report 30+ mpg, and I imagine the Ford will do just as well. Mileage will be the main selling point in this class, since the little diesels don't offer the huge towing performance advantage that their counterparts in the HD trucks offer.- From the stats Ford has released. the Diesel gives you LESS of everything for 2500 bucks MORE than the V6 Ecoboost..
V6 EcoBoost 375 HP..470 FP Torque.. Tow capacity 13,200lb. 23 MPG
Diesel..... 250 HP..440 FP torque.. Tow Capacity 11,400lb. 30 MPG
Only up side is the 7 MPG more, Less with 4x4. But you know. You can buy a whole lot of gas for $2500.00. More than enough to make the V6 Ecoboost the preferred engine. patperry2766 wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
If Ford gets it right they will sell a ton of them. No mater what some of you say, a gas verses diesel engine in the same vehicle will always have the diesel out in front in the MPG benchmark. My little 3.0 can make 32 mpg all day long and at 77 mph it makes 27.8 mpg. The Ecoboost can't come anywhere close to that at the same speeds. Now if diesel jumps to a buck or more then gas than your savings are equal but the towing still goes to the diesel.
My guess is Ford will end up over pricing it and that would be the only thing that would keep them from selling a ton of them.
Don
The upgrade price is $3000/$4000 depending on the trim level of the truck. It's not the upgrade price that will kill sales, it will be the fact that the engine has a TIMING BELT, not a timing chain. Personally, that's a deal killer for me.
150,000 mile service time on the timing belt. Most owners never keep their trucks that long. Thats over 10 years for the average driver.Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
If Ford gets it right they will sell a ton of them. No mater what some of you say, a gas verses diesel engine in the same vehicle will always have the diesel out in front in the MPG benchmark. My little 3.0 can make 32 mpg all day long and at 77 mph it makes 27.8 mpg. The Ecoboost can't come anywhere close to that at the same speeds. Now if diesel jumps to a buck or more then gas than your savings are equal but the towing still goes to the diesel.
My guess is Ford will end up over pricing it and that would be the only thing that would keep them from selling a ton of them.
Don
The upgrade price is $3000/$4000 depending on the trim level of the truck. It's not the upgrade price that will kill sales, it will be the fact that the engine has a TIMING BELT, not a timing chain. Personally, that's a deal killer for me.
