Fords 6.7 Scorpion Diesel motor

FishOnOne wrote:

ib516 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

marspec wrote:
I don't know if there's been any changes but I posted the following in February on another topic:

My son is the head Ford diesel tech at his dealership. Talked to him last night and asked about his experience with the 6.7. They have not had a single injection pump or turbo replacement. They have had a "few" EGR problems with service vehicles that had many hours of idle time. They did have an early one with a cam/valve problem. Ford replaced that engine with a new one and had it sent back for autopsy. Mine only has 12K towing a 16K fiver for over 10K but hasn't seen the inside of a dealership but for one oil change when I was on the road.

Since then I have just over 20K on my 6.7 with 17.5K of that towing with no problems.

In addition like I mentioned earlier my cousin is a long time Ford diesel tech starting in '93. The dealership he works at sells Ford, Chrysler, Jeep, RAM. He basically now works full time on RAM cummins trucks simply because the repair work in the Ford shop has dropped significantly since the 6.7 PSD has been introduced. In addition this dealer sells ~ 4 Power Strokes to 1 Cummins yet there's more techs working in the Chrysler shop.

His experience on warranty repairs between Ford and RAM is that he never had a problem with Ford denying warranty and their process is fairly simple, and with Chrysler there's more red tape he has to go thru to get approval. One thing common is both manufactures are frugal with the time they pay for a particular warranty repair.

This guy would disagree with your cousin:

"I ran some reports last night and we have done a couple 2011 and 2012 engines. I was really stunned at the amount of radiators and DPF's that had been done. More the radiators. DPF's dont really suprise me. most of these trucks are bucket trucks and that is a totally different ball game when it comes to reliablility. Specially with all the idle time they get. Heres the thing though and im not totally knocking Ford and you guys are prolly going to crenge when i say this but i have SEVERAL Dodge bucket trucks with Cummins and have had Zero issues with them. I was looking at the data on those and we have several 2010 trucks pushing 200k that have only had oil changes, brakes, and tires. I know one thing. I am so tired buying injectors for 6.0's and replacing all of the fuel systems on the 6.4's. Oh that was another thing. I have seen several of the 6.7 trashed fuel system due to "WATER IN THE FUEL". What the hell is that about? Well i know what its about but no one will do anything about it."

When challenged about his info and who he works for, he posted:

"I work for one of the larger land line telecommunications companies in the nation. We are in 48 states. Most of our diesels are bucket trucks and spend a lot of time idling or in high idle. High idle doesn't seen to be enough of a load to work the emissions on these trucks. I've been watching some of our long haul trucks that do a lot more road time and they seem to do better than the ones that stay in the air. These things aren't grocery gitters and I really think people are buying diesels for the wrong reasons. The diesels today aren't the diesels of yesterday. They need to be worked. We are buying 850 new vehicles this year and 60 of them are F-450's and will be gas. We have done lots of analysis and between the cost of maintenance and repair cost gas is a better option. When I have to replace an engine in a bucket diesel I try to buy running complete that way all the fuel system and emissions is covered under warranty. We buy Jasper but they only offer a 6.0 in a running complete. Which is about $15k. I'll buy a 6.4 and have Jasper supply all the other parts to cover every thing under the warranty. I have talked to a lot of people who oppose Jasper but I have never had them deny warranty and it doesn't matter where the truck is at."

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Point is, you can find horror stories about almost any vehicle - especially these days. It's all in what you want to see & believe.

My opinion is that the big 3 diesels all have their own issues these days, mostly related to the emissions junk on them, or because of the horsepower & torque wars that are raging among them.

I agree the radiators seam to be an unacceptable problem. Again I'll get to get an update from my cousin during the holiday as he keeps his finger on the pulse for both brands and I'll report what he's seeing as far as repairs goes for '14.