Global Pickup Trucks Bragging Rights

brulaz wrote:

So you ask how is this relevant to the current discussion about Global pickup trucks, in particular their reputed high payloads (which you claim are bogus)?

I did not claim anything was bogus. I said I would not put 3,000 lbs in the back of these trucks, but that is my own preferences. I also said that there seems to be a lot of people replacing their leaf springs in Australia with how many times it is mentioned in their forums and how big their market is for OE or aftermarket suspension parts.

brulaz wrote:
The only way they could make these mods and add all that weight was because the base truck had so much payload to begin with. And as the original article states, these trucks (LTV or not) were purchased by the French Army for their high payload. So the article is clearly relevant to the ongoing discussion.

And I don't think it is so I guess we are even then.

brulaz wrote:
IMHO the LTV version of the Global Ranger just confirms what Robert and others have been saying all along. These Global pickups are tough, with high payloads (2500-3000#), but with lower HP (and somewhat low tow capacities as a result) and small size. They are what they are; not for everybody but obviously useful to many.

Robert has been saying that the 150/1500 frames, suspensions, and axles are weaker than the global pickups all because the global pickups are rated to handle more weight. What he is forgetting is that US 150/1500s are bigger and weigh more. If you add the extra weight of a US 150/1500 to a global midsize truck and see how much payload you got left, then it would not be such a high number. I also do not get where you guys keep coming up with these things have a 3,000 lbs payload capacity. The regular pickup versions of the global midsize trucks are far from having a 3,000 lbs payload.

Ford Ranger 4x4 XLT Double Pick-Up AT 3.2 Diesel
GVWR: 7,054 lbs
Curb: 4,759 lbs
Front GAWR: 3,263 lbs
Rear GAWR: 4,078 lbs
Payload: 2,295 lbs
Towing: 7,716 lbs


Holden Colorado 4x4 LTZ Double Pick-up AT 2.8L Diesel
GVWR: 6,944 lbs
Curb: 4,684 lbs
Front GAWR: 3,196 lbs
Rear GAWR: 3,367 lbs
Payload: 2,268 lbs
Towing: 7,716 lbs

Toyota Hilux 4x4 SR5 Double Pick-up AT 3.0L Diesel
GVWR: 6,128 lbs
Curb: 4,321 lbs
Front GAWR: N/A
Rear GAWR: N/A
Payload: 1,807 lbs
Towing: 5,511 lbs


Mitsubishi Triton 4x4 GLS Double Pick-up AT 2.4L Diesel
GVWR: 6,393 lbs
Curb: 4,299 lbs
Front GAWR: 2,777 lbs
Rear GAWR: 4,056 lbs
Payload: 2,099 lbs
Towing: 6,834 lbs


Now compare that to my 2011 F150 with a max tow

Ford F150 4x4 Lariat Supercrew 6.5' bed AT 3.5L Ecoboost
GVWR: 7,700 lbs
Curb: 5,797 lbs
Front GAWR: 4,050 lbs
Rear GAWR: 4,050 lbs
Payload: 1,840 lbs
Towing: 11,100 lbs

Or even my Ram 2500

Ram 2500 4x4 Laramie CrewCab 6.5' bed AT 6.7L Diesel
GVWR: 10,000 lbs <---maxed out by class regulations
Curb: 7,818 lbs
Front GAWR: 6,000 lbs
Rear GAWR: 6,500 lbs
Payload: 2,180 lbs <---- maxed out due to GVWR regulations
Towing: 17,010 lbs


As you can see, the F150 is 1,000 lbs heavier than the heaviest of these Global trucks due to its bigger size which is what the US market wants. Add another 1,000 lbs to each of these trucks frames and suspension that Roberts keeps saying is better to compensate for the heavier F150 and see where their payloads would be at. The Ranger would be at 1,295 lbs, the Colorado would be at 1,268 lbs, the Hilux would be at 807 lbs, and the triton would be at 840 lbs of payload. That doesn't stack up now does it. Add the extra 2,000 lbs of my 2500 to those global trucks and some of them would be in the negative. So to Robert's continuous rant on how these Global Trucks have stronger frames, suspensions, and axles than the US trucks..... I say BS. Our trucks weigh more because they are bigger and more powerful which is how we like them......and there is nothing wrong with that.