GM 1500/Tahoe recall. Not good.

This recall doesn't affect tow vehicles

mich800 wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

mich800 wrote:

The last I seen the line workers all get profit sharing checks. There are always two sides to the story. Yep we got 1,500 last year a far cry from the bonuses the big boys pull down.

Of course, I suppose we could assume the line workers are not intelligent enough to know the more vehicles they put out the the higher the potential profit and they are all just patsies with no control of their actions and just putting out substandard work because they don't know better. Plus, they now own the company.
Sorry but you should stop listening to Fox News. Again for the slow kid, everyone on the line understands we have to sell quality cars to keep our jobs. The people that do not understand this are the management, supervisors to area managers. They have to account for every minute of downtime. They could care less if they build a quality vehicle or not. They only care that they hit or exceed their shift numbers. Good or bad makes no difference to them. You don't build 477 vehicles with "The tie rod threaded attachment to the steering gear rack in these vehicles may not be tightened to specification." unless every day MANAGEMENT did not allow the inspection check. /the other thing is the of calibration on the torque wrench was out of date.

As I said if they don't let me do my cals they have to sign off "Production refuses calibration. Date and time" Then and e-mail is sent to my boss, the head of quality, the three assistant plant managers and the plant manager. I'm the only Tool and Gage Tech that does this, but if $hit hits the fan the head hunters are not going to fire me, they are going to fire the clowns that caused the problem.

The point is there are no entirely innocent parties and no one side is 100% responsible. It is easy for those in your position to point the finger at management and just the same for people from my background to do the same the other way. That is because we take our jobs personal and perform them with ethics and hard work. But there are enough bad seeds on all levels to kill a company if left unchecked. I will leave it at that.

X2. I work in a manufacturing facility in management(not auto industry) and every person on the production line has been instructed by the Plant management over and over to shut the thing down rather than make "bad product" but it never happens because those empowered to do it want to run to management first and ask "if it's alright" because they do not want to make a decision even when they know it is the right one and there is no repercussion for doing it. Don't give me that it's all managements fault BS because someone is afraid to use their brain and do the right thing. I don't need Fox news, any other media outlet, or a Union mouthpiece to tell me what to think. I have worked both sides and know both sides of the equation.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

mich800 wrote:

The last I seen the line workers all get profit sharing checks. There are always two sides to the story. Yep we got 1,500 last year a far cry from the bonuses the big boys pull down.

Of course, I suppose we could assume the line workers are not intelligent enough to know the more vehicles they put out the the higher the potential profit and they are all just patsies with no control of their actions and just putting out substandard work because they don't know better. Plus, they now own the company.
Sorry but you should stop listening to Fox News. Again for the slow kid, everyone on the line understands we have to sell quality cars to keep our jobs. The people that do not understand this are the management, supervisors to area managers. They have to account for every minute of downtime. They could care less if they build a quality vehicle or not. They only care that they hit or exceed their shift numbers. Good or bad makes no difference to them. You don't build 477 vehicles with "The tie rod threaded attachment to the steering gear rack in these vehicles may not be tightened to specification." unless every day MANAGEMENT did not allow the inspection check. /the other thing is the of calibration on the torque wrench was out of date.

As I said if they don't let me do my cals they have to sign off "Production refuses calibration. Date and time" Then and e-mail is sent to my boss, the head of quality, the three assistant plant managers and the plant manager. I'm the only Tool and Gage Tech that does this, but if $hit hits the fan the head hunters are not going to fire me, they are going to fire the clowns that caused the problem.

The point is there are no entirely innocent parties and no one side is 100% responsible. It is easy for those in your position to point the finger at management and just the same for people from my background to do the same the other way. That is because we take our jobs personal and perform them with ethics and hard work. But there are enough bad seeds on all levels to kill a company if left unchecked. I will leave it at that.

mich800 wrote:

The last I seen the line workers all get profit sharing checks. There are always two sides to the story. Yep we got 1,500 last year a far cry from the bonuses the big boys pull down.

Of course, I suppose we could assume the line workers are not intelligent enough to know the more vehicles they put out the the higher the potential profit and they are all just patsies with no control of their actions and just putting out substandard work because they don't know better. Plus, they now own the company.
Sorry but you should stop listening to Fox News. Again for the slow kid, everyone on the line understands we have to sell quality cars to keep our jobs. The people that do not understand this are the management, supervisors to area managers. They have to account for every minute of downtime. They could care less if they build a quality vehicle or not. They only care that they hit or exceed their shift numbers. Good or bad makes no difference to them. You don't build 477 vehicles with "The tie rod threaded attachment to the steering gear rack in these vehicles may not be tightened to specification." unless every day MANAGEMENT did not allow the inspection check. /the other thing is the of calibration on the torque wrench was out of date.

As I said if they don't let me do my cals they have to sign off "Production refuses calibration. Date and time" Then and e-mail is sent to my boss, the head of quality, the three assistant plant managers and the plant manager. I'm the only Tool and Gage Tech that does this, but if $hit hits the fan the head hunters are not going to fire me, they are going to fire the clowns that caused the problem.

spoon059 wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
However until quality takes precedence over product out the back door, we are going to continue to see this. It is Management that is calling the shots not the workers.

Don

You are 100% right. The emphasis now a days is getting the job DONE. Not getting it done RIGHT... just getting it DONE. Mgmt is rewarded for getting a certain number of cars out the door. Unfortunately, mgmt. isn't held to task to explain why the are hemorrhaging money recalling vehicles to fix stuff that should have never been wrong to begin with.

There is no incentive for the line worker to rattle the cage and alert upper mgmt. to the problems. In fact, its probably hazardous to your employment to rattle the cage too much.

The last I seen the line workers all get profit sharing checks. There are always two sides to the story. Of course, I suppose we could assume the line workers are not intelligent enough to know the more vehicles they put out the the higher the potential profit and they are all just patsies with no control of their actions and just putting out substandard work because they don't know better. Plus, they now own the company.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
However until quality takes precedence over product out the back door, we are going to continue to see this. It is Management that is calling the shots not the workers.

Don

You are 100% right. The emphasis now a days is getting the job DONE. Not getting it done RIGHT... just getting it DONE. Mgmt is rewarded for getting a certain number of cars out the door. Unfortunately, mgmt. isn't held to task to explain why the are hemorrhaging money recalling vehicles to fix stuff that should have never been wrong to begin with.

There is no incentive for the line worker to rattle the cage and alert upper mgmt. to the problems. In fact, its probably hazardous to your employment to rattle the cage too much.

dodge guy wrote:
How many times can one say "my bad"?

When the government bails you out and you have a brand loyal customer base, you can do it quite often...

Terry I can assure you that most all of the workers want to build a good product.

However until quality takes precedence over product out the back door, we are going to continue to see this. It is Management that is calling the shots not the workers.

I have been told by area managers that they will sign off on a calibration so the line does not shut down. Managers receive quarterly bonuses for meeting production quotas and larger bonuses for exceeding them. Think they want to lose 10 to fifteen minutes of production for quality calibration? Nope no way, no how, not today mister. Go calibrate someone elses machine, I'll sign your damn book. Now go away! I found a way around this, I send out E-mails listing the line and machine or gages signed off on and send it to all the upper management. Very seldom do I get turned away anymore, get a lot of nasty looks however. But it works for me and my fellow workers.

BTW tame thing happens at GM and Ford day in day out. The Japs are not any different either.

Don

mockturtle wrote:

The Fix: Customers should have their vehicles taken by flatbed tow truck to their dealer, where the inner tie rods will be inspected for correct torque, and, if necessary, the steering gear will be replaced.

Yeah, right!

RECALL #5: 2014 Chevrolet Silverado, 2014 GMC Sierra, 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe

These 477 vehicles suffer from a problem with steering system. According to GM, "The tie rod threaded attachment to the steering gear rack in these vehicles may not be tightened to specification. With this condition, the tie rod can separate from the steering rack and a crash could occur without prior warning."

Please note: GM says that owners should NOT drive any of the affected vehicles until they've been inspected by a dealer and repaired. (If you own one of the affected vehicles, you should receive word today: GM sent notices yesterday via overnight mail.) The vehicles shouldn't even be driven to dealerships; instead, owners should call GM and arrange to have their vehicles towed in for service.

GM explains that the number of of vehicles is small because the defect was discovered early in the assembly process. The repair involves inspection of the inner tie rods to ensure proper torque. If necessary, GM says that the steering gear will be completely replaced.


Don

Y'all can blame it on what ever you want. But here is the thing. The parts I make, are taken from me and bolted directly onto the vehicle. GM does not have to do anything but bolt them on. Now I know the type of quality GM demands from me. What I don't understand, is why don't they, or why can't they demand the same quality from their own GM assembly line workers???? Are their workers so insulated / protected, that poor workmanship means nothing to them?
How long can they keep messin up?