GM Admits Fudging Payload Ratings

mich800 wrote:

To me, components like 12.25" Dana 110, 10 lug Alcoa 19.5s, 15"+ brake rotors, and 87 mph commercial tires, all scream Class 4 truck.

If Ford sand bags the GVW just to squeeze into the Class 3, well that's like athletes dehydrating just to squeeze into a weight class - it works, but you'll lose some people's respect.

I guess if that makes you feel better. So the Ram with an advertised 30k tow rating that is higher than Rams 5500 is not?

The 30,000 is an achievement; the ability to make that achievement, in a Class 3 truck, is our debate.

You can't then turn around and use that achievement to dis-credit its Class rating, that's flawed circular argument.

Class 3 truck can out-rate their Class 5 counterparts in multiple areas, namingly towing and horsepower. The F450 has more power than many Class 8 tractors. Does that discredit the Ford?

Tell you what, if Ford takes away the F350, and re-badge their F450 the new F350, I'd say "fair game, they choose to over-engineer their F350".

But they can't have clearly distinguished F350, F450, then claim the latter is in the same class as the former.