If anyone can support this I would love to hear . Read on GMinsidenews they are about to partner with Navistar to start competing in the heavier duty market. The new and improved topcat and kodiac !!

Google General Motors navistar. Lots of stories about it.

hone eagle wrote:For the love of god no!!!Why not?

Charlie D. wrote:Why not?Know who made the Ford 6.0? Google Ford Navistar lawsuit.

I'd be glad to see GM re-enter the medium duty market.I would never buy one with a Navistar engine after the Ford fiasco.I don't know why they would need them anyway. The Duramax is more than up to the task I would think. If not, doesn't GM still own Detroit Diesel or did they sell that? Years ago you could get a GM medium duty with a CAT. Now that would be cool.

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FishOnOne
Nomad
Aug 02, 2015
Me Again wrote:
So why is it that aftermarket builders can build a bullet proof 6.0 and Ford could not. Maybe they should hire mechanics instead of engineers? Chris

More brand bigotry at play... And we all know Ford didn't build the 7.3, 6.0 and 6.4 PSD's. Except when the bashers want to bash like MeAgain.
john_bet
Explorer II
Aug 02, 2015
FishOnOne wrote:
john&bet wrote:
Say Fish One, you got any comment on what happened to the Ford/Cummins relationship at the Cummins MEP?

Don't understand your question so no comment.
Ford and Cummins were working together in the Cummins MEP(mid engine plant, 5.9 production at the time) till something went wrong and Ford was asked to leave.
dodge_guy
Explorer II
Aug 02, 2015
FishOnOne wrote:
john&bet wrote:
Say Fish One, you got any comment on what happened to the Ford/Cummins relationship at the Cummins MEP?

Don't understand your question so no comment.

WOW! Nothing to say!!!! I'm shocked! :B
larry_barnhart
Explorer
Aug 02, 2015
I guess to play with you guys I will ask this. Why didn't Chrysler make a diesel engine for their trucks? I really don't care but I wanted to play.

chevman
coolbreeze01
Explorer
Aug 02, 2015
Doesn't matter. Some engines are good and some aren't. You decide.......
Me_Again
Explorer III
Aug 02, 2015
So why is it that aftermarket builders can build a bullet proof 6.0 and Ford could not. Maybe they should hire mechanics instead of engineers? Chris
FishOnOne
Nomad
Aug 02, 2015
john&bet wrote:
Say Fish One, you got any comment on what happened to the Ford/Cummins relationship at the Cummins MEP?

Don't understand your question so no comment.
john_bet
Explorer II
Aug 02, 2015
Say Fish One, you got any comment on what happened to the Ford/Cummins relationship at the Cummins MEP?
FishOnOne
Nomad
Aug 01, 2015
Charlie D. wrote:
LimogesMan wrote:
Nope it was Navistar's errors. Ford engineers are smarter than that and they proved it in court and won. Ford then built it's own 6.7L Powerstroke which has been solid.

So you are saying that Ford had no input or say about Navistars build of the 2003-2007 engines and the resulting fiasco? If Ford engineers were so smart why did it take 5 years for the new engine? Just asking.

Edited to ask: Some time ago I think I read that Ford sued Navistar because they stopped paying Ford for warranty claims. I also read that with reservations, Navistar built to specifications insisted upon by Ford. Can anyone confirm? I am unable to find anything to confirm that.

Ford decided internally to divorce Navistar and manufacture their own diesel engine in 2007. Ford also released their 6.7 PSD in 2010 as a 2011 model.

The 6.0 PSD was based on the Navistar VT366 engine that was basically designed for light medium duty trucks and school buses. Minor hardware changes to meet a different emissions category and software to produce more power to compete with the new Duramax at that time.
Charlie_D_
Explorer
Aug 01, 2015
LimogesMan wrote:
Nope it was Navistar's errors. Ford engineers are smarter than that and they proved it in court and won. Ford then built it's own 6.7L Powerstroke which has been solid.

So you are saying that Ford had no input or say about Navistars build of the 2003-2007 engines and the resulting fiasco? If Ford engineers were so smart why did it take 5 years for the new engine? Just asking.

Edited to ask: Some time ago I think I read that Ford sued Navistar because they stopped paying Ford for warranty claims. I also read that with reservations, Navistar built to specifications insisted upon by Ford. Can anyone confirm? I am unable to find anything to confirm that.