Help what tongue weight F150

bid_time wrote:

Gdetrailer wrote:
If I remember correctly, to get max tow and max payload F150 it required Eco boost and a few other knick nacks, pushes the price of that combination OVER what I paid for my XLT Gas F250 and I get over 900 lbs more payload to boot.

A $60K F150 with 2500 lbs capacity OR a $43K F250 with 3400 lbs capacity.. No brainer for me, the F250 wins every time :B

Not having to count potato chips every time I want to tow is priceless..

You don't remember correctly, $60K is total bullsheet. It did that comparison in March, price difference is about $2K any with incentives I paid way less than your $45K.

$60K IS pretty much right on what it would cost to get into a "loaded" F150 WITh Eco AND Maxpayload along with a buunch of other items in order to get it to a "similar" equivalent platform of a basic F250..

I just redid the configurator for a 2019 F150, I STOPPED configuring once it hit $55K and that is still not really an "equivalent" to my 2019 F250, period.

I also looked at my window sticker, the MSRP on mine was $44K, subtract the difference between MSRP and Invoice price we got then subtract $2500 in Private cash offer then add in all the taxes and fees and we paid OUT THE DOOR $35K.

You did not and cannot buy a F150 with the SAME cargo capacity as my 2019 F250, I also rechecked that, my yellow sticker shows that I have 3,719 lbs of cargo capacity.. That IS DOUBLE what you can get in the average F150 on the dealer lots.

There ARE some MAJOR differences between a F150 and F250 in what you can get.

A couple of examples are..

F150 base you do not get TOWING mirrors, F250 YOU DO, STANDARD

F150 towing mirrors which ARE "optional" but are MANUAL FOLD/EXTEND ONLY, F250 you can get POWERSCOPE POWER FOLD/EXTEND (extremely handy for tight garage and parking lots.

F150, you cannot get 15K 2.5" hitch, F250 15K 2.5" hitch IS STANDARD.

F150, you CAN'T get 10K GVWR Package (neither Max tow or Max Payload offer that much in fact you MAX OUT at 8500 GVWR on the F150), F250 10K GVWR package is STANDARD.

F150 comes with PASSENGER TIRES, no FACTORY LT options, Max Tow REQUIRES UPGRADED RIMS AND PASSENGER TIRES, F250 COMES WITH LT TIRES STANDARD and you don't have to pay for a upgrade.

You also need to note that the max cargo with Eco/max tow does not happen with a fully loaded SCREW.. Thet brochure numbers is from a STRIPPED DOWN BASE (XL)REGULAR CAB 4x2 with only the Eco/ max tow/trailer package in 4x2..

Fine print from Fords 2019 F150 towing guide that everyone ignores..

"
Max payload on 2019 F-150 XL Regular Cab, 8' box, 5.0L engine, 4x2, Heavy-Duty Payload Package and 18" heavy-duty wheels. Not shown. Class is full-size pickups under 8,500-lb. GVWR based on Ford segmentation. "

Nobody buys a stripped down XL model now days unless under duress..

Once you start decorating your F150 Christmas tree, you start losing payload..

the number circled in blue please

GVWR 7350 pounds
Rear GAWR 3850 lbs

2014 XLT F150 4/4 with 4 doors 2 full size doors. 6 ft bed
I also have Vin #

post the numbers off the door jam and we will tell you. staying around 5k is likely a good starting place.

Huntindog wrote:

seaeagle2 wrote:
The HDPP F150 is also called, "the unicorn"....

Yes, rare and pricey.
This guy is the first I have seen that claims different.

Ever since they became "available" posters on this site have stated that they just are not on dealers lots. Everyone that wants one, orders it.

Up til 2014, you could look for used ones by looking for dumbo mirrors, then counting the lug nuts looking for 7 lugs, or before they locked ETIS, for newer than 2014, you could look for dumbo mirrors and run the VIN to check for HDPP option. I probably found 3 or 4 used ones that way, but ended up going with a used F250.

rickhise wrote:
So when you talk to the TT dealer. What are the numbers you listen for when understanding what your vehicle will tow.

(Price later)

A TT dealer just wants to sell you a trailer. He has no idea what your trucks GVWR and more importantly its RAWR is.
1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks can have some very high trailer tow ratings however its for all type of trailer ...not just a TT or 5th wheel camp trailers.
Some trailers like flatdecks or stock trailers can be loaded to attain any hitch weight to fit the trucks RAWR. You can't do that with a trailer like a TT or 5th wheel camping trailer.

'course the tow vehicles GVWR...RAWR....engine size.....gear ratio will determine the trailer weight and size.

rickhise wrote:
So when you talk to the TT dealer. What are the numbers you listen for when understanding what your vehicle will tow.

(Price later)

Go back a couple of posts and read the “clicky”.
It has all the info in it about all the weights and how to figure out what you can safely tow with what you have. You will find that payload is going to be your limiting factor.
Pay no attention to the 150 vs 250 sideshow.

Gdetrailer wrote:
A $60K F150 with 2500 lbs capacity...

The dealer must of made a mistake when he sold me a mine, over a $20,000.00 mistake.

Huntindog wrote:
Yes, rare and pricey.
This guy is the first I have seen that claims different.

Ever since they became "available" posters on this site have stated that they just are not on dealers lots. Everyone that wants one, orders it.

LarryJM wrote:
And you're most likely to pay dearly whereas going with the more traditional F250/350 deals do exist with some units in stock and the capabilites will most likely be greater than these nearly non existant "UNICORNS"

Larry

The F150 with the HDPP is cheaper than the F250 in the same trim. But you don't have to take my word for it, just go to the Ford website and verify for yourself. Then while you're at it, also check out the available incentives for both. You'll never touch an F250 for the price of the F150 with the HDPP. And as an extra added bonus you get the 3.5 Ecoboost with the 10 speed transmission.

OP:

You came to the absolute worst place to ask about the towing ability of any vehicle... You'd be about as well served listening to the salesman that sold you the truck. See, in the TT community this topic is as toxic and produces such dogmatic knee jerk reactions possible that you will only end up utterly confused and that's _if_ the thread remains on the issue you originally raised rather than meandering off into other people's "experiences" and "perceptions" as this one already has.

Here's how to approach the issue... Look at everything you can find about calculating what your vehicle can tow/stop/control on the road. Do not look at the dry weight of a proposed TT as shipped from the factory - add at least 1000lb to the dry weight. Take into account the location of the FW tank which will affect it's towability, (in the front puts a lot of weight on the tongue which risks exceeding your payload and exceeds the 12-15% of TT weight on the ball. In the back it does the opposites. [Common Sense] If you are close in either aspect then don't travel long distances with a full FW tank... [/Common Sense].

Get a tongue weight scale and fill tanks and adjust loading yourself so you know exactly what the tongue weight is and what would be best for your setup.

Do all your research and due diligence.

Once you've worked all this out you'll know what dry weight plus 1000-1500lbs the TT is that is in the ball park for your F-150.

Now, here's the secret!!! Never, ever, come back here and tell anyone what you tow and what the tow vehicle is because you'll only start another bun fight between the "holier than thou purists" and the "Laissez Faire bringers of carnage"...

Hope this helps... ;-)