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jefe_4x4
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Jun 27, 2014

Hey! How did you get here?

How did you get to own a truck camper? What kind of experience predated your TC ownership? This could be instructive and explain why some do not need or want 4WD; or a small camper; or air conditioning; but some want the biggest, triple-slide mobile castle ever made. I have found there are as many answers to these questions as their are TC-er's, So post a couple paragraphs of your earlier times and be sure to include some pictures. Not to worry, we can have them colorized! I took these today by taking snapshots of slides up on a screen.
There is a pattern of behavior starting to emerge here. What did i know? I was 20 yrs. old and my life was all before me.
I'll start the bidding with the first three of twelve 4WD's we've owned:
I’ve always been a fan of four wheel drive. 4WD is freedom and offers the user a chance to travel to and experience places that most people can only dream about. You need a rig and bonafide knowledge and experience to make it work. Since I lived in the burbs and worked right downtown L.A. for 40 years, I always had jeeping (small j) on my mind as a suitable escape vehicle from the mind-numbing crush of Angelinos. My nickname, jefe, pronounced Hay’-fay, which means the boss or chief in Spanish was pinned on me during my tenure as bass trombonist with the Los Angeles Philharmonic (1969-2006).
1965 started our Odyssey to XTC (Extreme Truck Camping) with machines with more than one gear shift lever poking through the floor. I’m in the twilight of my off-road RV-ing now, and I guess you could call me an elder of the tribe. Early on, there was a lot to learn and absorb along the trail. A list of the vehicles I owned in itself would be instructive as to the vehicle needs during those overlapping eras in my life. This included being married; 1st wife dies of cancer; single again; married again; add two children, and still married with grand children. In the beginning, (no, this is not Genesis) we owned these rigs:
1. 1949 4X4 flat fender Jeep utility wagon, GM 265 V-8, Studebaker O.D., and my first attempt at SOA (springs-over-axle). I broke every part one could possibly break. Slept in the back. Driven about 50K mi. This is the earliest pic i have:

This was after the SOA:

2. 1966 Toyota Land Cruiser, FJ40, Factory PTO winch with matching homemade jeep trailer. Miles driven: 85K

Coming down Elephant Hill in Canyonlands, June 1971:

1970 on the White Rim Trail:

What the White Rim trail looked like 44 years ago:

3. 1970 Toyota Land Cruiser, FJ55, GM 307 V-8, Hone O.D., Power Lok rr diff, 53 gal. gas tank, 3” lift, Warn 8K winch, Confer Toyota jeep trailer. Had a sail maker stitch a rear boot made to snap over the down tailgate; like a stagecoach. It took 14 years to drive 160K miles and grow two kids. With stack for fording:

On the gulf of California south of Bahia de Los Angeles:

In final config with Tomba Burro:

So, post up your pre-TC, RV experience here. Where did you come from?
jefe

24 Replies

  • Real simple journey to get here! Bought our first TC, a Georgie Boy 8' in 1965, and have had a min of one TC at any given time since even with our many TT's, 5th wheels, and MH's. TC's are very special and are so great for the many ventures, long drive trips, towing a boat or trailer, and outings a larger RV can't or wouldn't be comfortable being forced to do. So nimble and can park it anywhere. Even on a safe city street etc overnight and with the blinds drawn and the door locked, nobody even knows or has a hint there's people inside.

    49 years of having TC's and sure won't stop now!
  • Camp, Forrest, Camp!, my story is similar to yours!
    I used to go boat racing (limited hydros and flat bottoms) and the races involved going to some lake for the weekend. My buddy and I always just slept in the back of his pickup with a canopy on it.
    Everyone else had a truck camper on their boat-towing truck. All day long it was boat racing and being on the lake, but late in the evening, it started to suck that I had nowhere to go. I went inside a few other guy's campers and couldn't believe all that was on the back of their pickup… and when I could hear them taking showers in the morning, well that was it, I wanted a little house on the back of my truck too.

    I eventually got out of the boat racing thing (evidenced by the fact that I'm still alive!) and at least five years passed with the camper just sitting in the yard. I even upgraded to a bigger one… I had no use for it but I just knew I had to have one.

    I started going to the Burning Man festival in 2000, and all my old boat racing gear went back into service providing me life-support in the Nevada desert.
  • Love that FJ40 Jefe.

    When I left school I wanted a long wheelbase diesel Land Cruiser, but found the insurance was too expensive for a 17 year old, so for many years I put up with a succession of front or rear wheel drive cars.

    After buying a house within walking distance of my job I traded my regular car in for an air-portable Land Rover (ex British Army). I kept that for years:





    I put a piece of thick plywood across the wheel arches in the back, but sleeping curled up on that wasn't the best recipe for a good night.

    I attended many heavy-vehicle trials (friends with tanks, 6x6 Ural trucks, Gamma Goats, etc.) and that often resulted in sleeping in the load bed of a semi-trailer or the back of my station wagon. I had a GMC, but that was too clean to take trialling in the mud. Certainly made a better place to sleep though with its large load bed:



    Our first attempt with an RV was a 2-week tour around New Zealand. We hired a class c based on a Mitsubishi Fuso Canter. It was a bit big for New Zealand roads and I wasn't convinced it was how we wanted to travel in the future.

    Eventually the GMC and the Land Rover went, replaced with a Daihatsu Sally could tow her horse trailer with, but that was later replaced by a much better towing vehicle - the 101" Land Rover artillery tractor:



    Again I put some plywood across the wheel arches to make a sleeping platform and we'd insert an air-bed that would go down slowly over night causing you to wake with aching hips from lying on hard plywood.

    Sally wanted to take it down to North Africa, but given its fuel consumption, poor reliability and complete lack of security (canvas, no door locks), I didn't really fancy our chances.

    Namibia was a real wake-up call. We needed a 4x4, I didn't want a roof tent, and being in Africa I didn't want to sleep on the ground (predators, snakes, insects). After much research I found a small Nissan 4x4 pickup truck with a box body with pop-up roof and pop-out sleeping compartment - our experiences of that proved that we could camp in a small vehicle, and I loved having the capability of a compact 4x4 vehicle again:



    After that trip Sally said "when we are older we should get something like that". Living in the wet north I was sceptical. I also didn't want to commit to a single-use vehicle. I started recalling truck campers I had seen in the US and it occurred to me a small one of those on a 4x4 pickup platform would be perfect. When Sally decided to sell the horses, giving us a lot more time, the "when we are older" moment occurred (even though we weren't much older). I decided to sell the Land Rover 101" and started hunting for a pickup truck.

    Finding the truck was more difficult than I expected. Double-cab pickups over here have a uselessly short load bed, but Namibia had taught me the value of a supercab with at least some storage space behind the driver and passenger seats. Earlier, cheaper pickups were designed more for commercial use and had very underpowered engines, so that narrowed it down to two models that had supercabs and powerful engines. One make turned out to suffer from regular major engine failures. So that left us looking for a very specific truck. But after a few months we found a 3-year old one owned by a farmer. It was mechanically good, but dented and scratched (which I don't care about, but which reduced its price).

    Finding the camper was even more difficult. The only ones readily available were small glass-fibre campers made in the '80s by a British company, but they were tiny. We got close to buying one, but while demonstrating it to another potential buyer a jack failed and it fell over. Then the Shadow Cruiser appeared on eBay. It was perfect (and I haven't seen anything since on eBay I would rather have bought). I got it with some last-second eBay bidding.

    And here we are now.

    Recently we've been contemplating what we do in future - do we need a bigger vehicle? When semi-retired will we travel for longer periods, thus justifying a class B or C? But I still want 4x4, and I don't want something that will constrain my ability to squeeze down tight lanes and tracks and explore the places others won't (for fear of getting stuck or vehicle damage). Our trip to Overland Expo last year in a rented class B demonstrated that we really like having a fixed bed over the cab - that business of re-arranging the vehicle interior every night and morning would get tiring quickly.

    Our current truck and camper come under 3500kg in gross weight, and our trip to Italy this summer has been an eye-opener. Assuming we would need to move to a vehicle with 7500kg gross weight we kept an eye out for where that might cause problems - the answer was EVERYWHERE! So many roads in Europe have been reclassified with a 3500kg weight limit (except for vehicles with permits - i.e. local logging or utility vehicles). Moving to a vehicle > 3500kg could really restrict our travel plans. So we look at our existing camper and except for a few modifications we would like to make, realise that it is probably still the best compromise we are going to get.



    Steve.
  • For us, it all started with a boat. We had a 1/2 ton pickup and bought a 16 foot boat after going to Hawaii on our honeymoon. We wanted to use the boat at a nearby mountain lake which led to sleeping in the bed of the truck under a canopy.

    After a stormy night of lost sleep due to rain and pine cones hitting the top of the canopy, we upgraded to a large tent. One night we were camping with some friends who had the camper that we now own. We woke up in the middle of the night to discover that our tent had collapsed under the weight an unexpected spring snow storm. We knocked on the door of the camper and asked if we could sleep inside. After watching a movie and eating popcorn, we decided that we needed to get a camper.

    We bought a small 8.5' camper and life was good for a while.


    Then the engine in the boat went caput. We got a SCREAMING deal on a nice 21 foot Four Winns. I didn't know it was *quite* as heavy as it was until we took our first trip. We realized that with the boat or the truck had to go so we upgraded the truck.


    Once we had a bigger truck, we of course had to upgrade the camper. We bought that same Lance that we ate popcorn in several years before and had quite a setup. Shortly afterwards, I injured my knee running and couldn't tolerate the heavy clutch in the F350 anymore. We sold it and bought the Chevy that we have today.



    Eventually, we bought a smaller boat and now we are having lots of fun taking road trips and boating around Idaho.