Holy smokes. Did I read right?

blt2ski wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

bl2ski wrote:
For me, tow rating would include moving the total load up a 30% grade, The new tow specs from the SAE only have a min 12% grade you need to be able to go up

I get the impression these 'standards' have been deliberately left soft for the OEM's. To make the pickups do what they claim to do, would require a substantial redesign of the vehicles.

There WAS a substantial design change on the 2013 3500 1 ton SRW and 1 ton DRW trucks, substantial.....

I am sure the design change, or appears to be making a 3500 a defacto 4500! At least the gvwr is in the DOT class 4 range, and really is not even in the class 3/1 ton range any more. Not that this is a bad thing mind you! As some advertising says, "this is NOT your daddy's 1 ton/35 series truck any more" reality is, it is more like the GM 3500HD or the old Ford Super Duty out of the 90's, when they had 15K gvwr's, altho they did not have the power of todays motors, nor the 6+ sp trans missions, so they did not have the gcwr per say of the older rigs.

Really, this is a wolf in sheeps clothing, just as the GM 1500HD has been a 2500 in halfton badge door stickers! Even my 05 dually is different than the fist GM 3500 I bought in 89 with a 10K gvwr!

Marty

GM 3500HD had a 15,000# GVWR?? When I owned an 05 and an 07.5 Chevy 3500HD Dually's, never saw that GVWR and I came within a hair of pulling the trigger on a 2013 Chevy 3500HD dually and it's GVWR was 13,025#, same as the 14', if I'm not mistaken. BUT, I never owned a GMC 3500 Dually in the 90's so don't really know about them.. What year did the GMC 3500HD have a 15,000# GVWR?

I was comparing the 2012 Ram 3500HD with the 2013 Ram 3500HD, both dually's,

12' had GVWR of 12,300#..............13' has 14,000# GVWR
12, with 4:10 had GCWR of somewhere around 25,000#
13 with 4:10 /Aisin, has a GCWR of 37,500#.....