MARK VANDERBENT wrote:
Give it a rest with the GM and tax payers !! THIS IS OLD NEWS !! You people just cant move on from that. Drink some more of the almighty blue cool aid that thinks their you know what don't stink!!
MARK VANDERBENT wrote:
That was for fish ! I was just waiting for that to pop out as to why GM has and is better taking care of its customers
Turtle n Peeps wrote:Gdetrailer wrote:State Fan wrote:
Thanks for all of the replies. I traded my Ram 2500 in on a Chevy 1/2 ton last year and I haven't been keeping up with diesel engines on the forums. The 1/2 ton doesn't meet my needs and I need to go back to a 3/4 ton. It sounds like most on here would recommend that I go back with a Ram or Chevy. Is that true? Would either be a good choice?
One should be careful about basing your decision solely based on HEARSAY on these forums.
For every single complaint listed on a given brand and model you will have TENS OF THOUSANDS WITH NO COMPLAINTS.
Forums are rather finicky this way, people tend to get extremely vocal when there is problems. When there is NO problems people DON'T post.
The key here is BUY WHAT YOU LIKE, not what OTHERS want you to buy.
ALL manufacturers turn out lemons, don't let anyone tell you otherwise...
We are not talking about lemons or hearsay, we are talking about manufacture defects and facts.
Case in point is the CP4.x pump. It is used on both the Ford and the GM twins. This was a bad pump design from Bosch and both failed at around the same rate if you look at the facts. The problem was Ford did not warrantee most of their failed pumps and GM did. This is a 10 to 15K fix.
Another case in point is the turbo on the 6.7. They failed at an alarming rate on this engine. Now Ford did warrantee this part but that did not help the person that owned a small business and had to suffer the down-time.
Another case in point is the valve issue this engine is having. Is this TSB from Ford hearsay? What makes this TSB so serious is the fact that it covers 2011-2013 engines. That means this issue was not fixed for 3 years. Nice to know that at any given time the valve heads can pop off of the stems and take the engine out. :E That would give me a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside.
And now we have this problem. Not an expensive or hard problem to fix but it still shuts your engine down and leaves you stranded on the road.
Like I said above. I don't give a rats behind what anybody buys. But it's just incorrect to say these engines don't have some very serious problems. If you know about the problems and decide to buy it anyway, so be it.
Huntindog wrote:
I remember back when Ford fans were anxiously awaiting the debut of the 6.0. The Dmax had been stealing all their thunder and pride...
The 6.0 was to have cast iron heads AND more power than the Dmax....
Nirvana was close at hand...
Well that fizzeled. The replacement 6.4 wasn't much better, as it appeared that Ford gave up on it as soon as it was introduced.
With it's previously stellar reputation in tatters, I really thought that Ford would at the very least stand behind this latest diesel that they themselves designed and produced... Unlike the previous motors, they would have nobody to blame if it flopped.
So I find it really curious that they have taken this anti consumer warranty stance, especially when the competition is taking care of their customers.
The NHSTA numbers show that GM has a higher failure rate than Ford.
But these numbers are skewed some, as Ford doesn't count the ones that they denied warranty on. I suspect that the total failure rate is very close to the same.
I am pretty sure of what GMs motivation is to just handle it in the customers favor. The Dmax has a pretty good reputation over the last 13 years.. Not by any means trouble free, but it has outlasted the Ford offerings. And with being a spectator to Fords missteps, I am sure that they don't want to follow them. And finally there is a certain amount of stigma attached to them because of the govt. bailout.
This failure still seems to be rare. But it is ridiculously expensive if it happens to you.
skyhammer wrote:
Ford is introducing a new turbo and manually operated exhaust brake.
ricatic wrote:Yes I do have it. My premium has crept up now that the 3/36K warranty is over.. It started out at 16.00 for 6 months, and now is 32.00. When the 100K warranty is up, I am sure it will increase substantially. Right now, they only pay if the warranty won't for some reason... And the Fords seem to have a lot of reasons as a brand new Ford costs more for this coverage than my 3 1/2 year old Chevy...45Ricochet wrote:Huntindog wrote:
I remember back when Ford fans were anxiously awaiting the debut of the 6.0. The Dmax had been stealing all their thunder and pride...
The 6.0 was to have cast iron heads AND more power than the Dmax....
Nirvana was close at hand...
Well that fizzeled. The replacement 6.4 wasn't much better, as it appeared that Ford gave up on it as soon as it was introduced.
With it's previously stellar reputation in tatters, I really thought that Ford would at the very least stand behind this latest diesel that they themselves designed and produced... Unlike the previous motors, they would have nobody to blame if it flopped.
So I find it really curious that they have taken this anti consumer warranty stance, especially when the competition is taking care of their customers.
The NHSTA numbers show that GM has a higher failure rate than Ford.
But these numbers are skewed some, as Ford doesn't count the ones that they denied warranty on. I suspect that the total failure rate is very close to the same.
I am pretty sure of what GMs motivation is to just handle it in the customers favor. The Dmax has a pretty good reputation over the last 13 years.. Not by any means trouble free, but it has outlasted the Ford offerings. And with being a spectator to Fords missteps, I am sure that they don't want to follow them. And finally there is a certain amount of stigma attached to them because of the govt. bailout.
This failure still seems to be rare. But it is ridiculously expensive if it happens to you.
LOL
I've also read the Ford 6.7 has a higher insurance premiums. Seems the Comp coverage is much higher than GM's. LINK Now granted these charts don't show exactly why the comp is higher, but clearly 4 SD's have poor comp ratings. Some reason the Mega cabs also got poor ratings.
Maybe that goes to show just which owners are making claims and which ones don't need to :B
On the insurance premium front, Geico offers Mechanical Breakdown insurance coverage. I believe the "dog" has it. IIRC, the last I heard, premiums for covering the Ford 6.7 diesel with this insurance were 400% more than the DuraMax...The Gecco gets it:B:B:B...
Regards
