How much do you really need?

I always recommend keeping the GVWR within the tow rating.

When you are shopping, check to see what is included or not included in the Dry / UVW. Battery(ies). These would also have a big impact on tongue weight.
Do different manufacturers use different criteria, use the weight of base unit, NO options. Or do they actually weigh each unit when It comes off the line. There could be several hundred pounds different before starting to load your things.

Ken

How far are you planning to travel, and what kind of drive do you want? I've been under trucked, under powered, about right and more than I need. I sure like more than I need. Your choice.

Thanks everyone.

We don't have a new camper yet, just figuring out what we need.

We did unload the old camper and it's all in boxes. I am going to weigh everything and see what we used to carry. I know a new camper that's bigger will carry a bit more in theory.

I have said this all along. I always recommend to add 1200-1500lbs to the dry weight.

Our old TT had a 4100lb CCC! It wasn’t a Toy Hauler. Just an overly built TT. It scaled at 9300lbs loaded for a trip. It’s dry weight was 7100lbs. Yes I pack heavy. 2 adults and 2 kids. and a 100lb German Shepard at the time. I also packed heavy knowing I had more than enough CCC in the TT and my Excursion was more than capable.

valhalla360 wrote:
If you already have a camper take it to a CAT scale and see what it weighs compared to the empty weight...that will give you your current cargo weight.

UVW of the new trailer + current cargo weight should be a decent estimate for the new rig. I would probably bump that up a bit (maybe 500lb) as nature abhors a vacuum and big rigs with lots of storage (ie: vacuum) tend to get filled.

If this comes in below the GVWR, you have a reasonable basis for using your calculation over GVWR.

Keep in mind 3000lb CCC is more than most RVs have, particularly smaller non-toy haulers. 1000-2000 CCC is more common and it's very easy to max that out, so lacking better information, is where the recommendation to use GVWR comes from as most people have no clue what their actual cargo weight is.

yep, and 1500 lbs. would be a "normal" cargo weight.
bumpy

I don't tow anything that i can overload. Ots easy to say i will not tow with full tanks etc. But it does come up, so i would definitely add the weight for full tanks, so waste water, reguler water , propane etc. After adding rhat it add you stuff. Then see how close your are. You will be surprised how much stuff you buy and it all adds weight. I seem to get a new something or other each year, and never get rid of anything. I rather tow a lighter camper then suck wind up a hill. Not saying it cant be done, just not worth it.

If you already have a camper take it to a CAT scale and see what it weighs compared to the empty weight...that will give you your current cargo weight.

UVW of the new trailer + current cargo weight should be a decent estimate for the new rig. I would probably bump that up a bit (maybe 500lb) as nature abhors a vacuum and big rigs with lots of storage (ie: vacuum) tend to get filled.

If this comes in below the GVWR, you have a reasonable basis for using your calculation over GVWR.

Keep in mind 3000lb CCC is more than most RVs have, particularly smaller non-toy haulers. 1000-2000 CCC is more common and it's very easy to max that out, so lacking better information, is where the recommendation to use GVWR comes from as most people have no clue what their actual cargo weight is.

You're right to think along those lines. GVWR is semi worthless but it is relative to how the trailer is built IMO.
I had a smaller 5th wheel prior to our current TT that had over 4,000 lbs for CCC. UVW was around 7300 lbs. No way could I ever load 4,000 lbs in it.
Under normal loading expect to add around 1,000 lbs. I know from my own experience that I carry about 1500+/- lbs of stuff, but some is add ons like extra batteries, bike rack, solar panels, etc.
When shopping or browsing for fun I always look at the CCC to see how my 1500 lbs would work. GVWR never factors in. CCC is the most important number for me.
Add your 1,000 lbs to the trailers stickered UVW and that's close to what you'll actually be towing.