FishOnOne wrote:
Yeah the Goat Juice blinds your senses:
2013/14 Ram
-factory didn't activate the rear fuel filter heater and a bunch of Rams quit running this winter
Not a real issue, easy to reprogram, had it done myself
-Factory Nav / Uconnect system sucks and needed a bunch of updates to work properly and to date still has problems
Not a bunch, there's a few stable ones out there now. Largely resolved
-Factory antifreeze hoses that were not clamped down properly
that's news to me, never seen that on the forum I read.
-Millions of CELs
really? And Ford never had one? I know I've experienced a few with my 2010 F-150 and I'm sure some Superduty owners have as well.
-fuel filler capless system doesn't work with automotive nozzles
I wouldn't know, never had an issue at the pump whether it's the local gas station or truck station
-door pannels that rattle and are not screwed into doors
I don't know, my truck is solid. No rattles. Can't say the same for my 2010 F-150 that I owned previously
-crappy Chrysler dealers that won't honor warranty work / do shoddy work
I don't know. My Ford dealer was even worse. Poor explanation of the repairs. You were treated like a number. And they were annoyed when you were trying to find out more detail about a given repair on the vehicle. 100 miles outside of warranty I get an emissions CEL on my F-150, EVAP system failure. Apparently this wasn't covered by federal emissions warranty yet this is an emissions device. Go figure? seems like they have a timer
-every launch of a new model (2013 Ram HD, Ecodiesel GC, Ecodiesel 1500) is severly delayed with no explanation
Severely? I wouldn't call a couple months severely. If we were talking years, then I'd agree, otherwise, the new F-150 would be Severely delayed as well.
-Parts shortages of their Asin tranny b/c people don't want to buy the Chrysler tranny
Yup, that was unexpected. But then Aisin is a true medium duty transmission. Match made in heaven for the CTD.
-Order books that open / close randomly for different parts shortages
it isn't random, it's forecasted JIT manufacturing. Those order books close when the system is forecasting a shortage in parts.
-Tranny shift problems
More like interpreted shift problems on the 68RFE (Aisins seems to shift like people expect). 68RFE unlocks the torque converter between shifts. People thought it was clutch slippage, but it was a new program strategy to smooth out shifting and reduce driveline shock. They did make a different shifting algorithm where you get the more traditional firm shifts. I understand the 6R140 has its share of issues as well. Such as occasional clunks and hard shifts
-Fuel filters / oil filters that require fender liner disassembly to change
Ha ha, pure horse crap. 2 oil changes and I haven't popped out a fender liner yet.
-Millions of more CELs
just the same for Ford
OK, I bit, there you go, satisfied? Really, Ford has had it's share of issues. In all seriousness, the 2011 F-series Superduty is not without its blemishes. I honestly could have bought either 2013 truck and I truly considered them neck and neck. In the end, my wife preferred the RAM's interior (subjective) and I liked the access I had for servicing items, very little disassembly should anything seriously go wrong. Just for those with short memories (or a little full on blue koolaid), here's what the 2011 F-series Superduties put up with:
-Clogged EGR Coolers and valves (see this creeping up occasionally)
-Radiators that like to leak, and the failure rate seems fairly high
-Composite oil pan has certain issues, hence they went back to steel
-Several newer iterations of the turbo, yet the turbo is still a weak link. So now they moved to the GT37 to remedy this in 2015 (great move).
-Weak exhaust brake (fixed with the GT37 turbo for 2015)
-Dropping valves taking out the engine block (2011 production issue)
-Necessity to remove the cab to affect repairs such as removing cylinder heads to check whether or not that valve dropped
-WIF sensor that's absolutely worthless since Ford keeps denying fuel warranties due to rust that happens past the filters.
-Ford doing "Shoddy Work" and not warrantying fuel system repairs (stealing this one from the post above)
-The 10 to 12k repair bill for said fuel system
-the imploding Bosch CP4 pump that Ford refuses to warranty
-Crappy location of the fuel filter on the frame rail, gotta clean that area really well before changing the filter.
-Shudder upon take-off
Really, Ford can be made to sound as bad when sensationalized. My list above is blown completely out of proportion but it's just for kicks and giggles). you make it sound like RAM is so much more horrible and Ford is this shining ball of perfection. Poor Ricatic's saga was an eye opener. It is an event that happened and I bet it's a farely rare event. But in the end it did happen. Then you have that Joe Mechanic or whatever who has shown video of the 6.7 in its worst shape. By no means am I saying that RAM is flawless either, as you have pointed out issues in your post. But to sensationalize the issues or blow them out of proportion only spreads misinformation. But I guess it's as they say. Keep telling yourself something and it'll eventually be true (to you).
