Major Repairs

Fordlover wrote:
In the end, if your truck is the one that has the issue, it doesn't really matter how reliable all the other same brand trucks are. I've had a friend put a new 6.0 in his Ford, and an Uncle that put a new Cummins in his Ram. Unsurprising, neither were real excited about the unexpected, premature, and very costly repairs.

Spot on with this point. Any of them can fail and if you're the unlucky one who owns that truck, it's going to be a bad day.

If I was not sure of what to buy I would go to an rv park and maybe find the truck you want and visit with that owner for his opinion of the towing power.

when the first 6.2 ford gas engine came out I talked to that guy and he had a Teton 36 ft fifth. He was tired of the ford diesel he had (good reason for that comment) and with the less power he was very happy with the towing experience.

chevman

ducksquasher wrote:
I go back and forth as I have never had a diesel. We are getting to the point where we need a new tow vehicle. We currently are towing with a 6.0 Yukon (love that motor btw) and we have a TT. We know that we are enventually going to move into a 5th wheel and will need a truck.

While I know gas motors can do the job, I don't want to worry about not having enough motor, I don't want to worry about taking off when it's 100 degrees towing and worrying about temps and if my wife wants to head to Colorado and Wyoming (which she does) I want to get in and go without worrying about the truck. Maybe I am nuts and over thinking it?

Just a little scary when it comes to price of the trucks and repairs (when/if they come up) but that's the price we pay for our RV lifestyle, I guess?

Don't let these guys fool you the diesels do cost a lot to repair and long term ownership needs to be backed with funds to handle a repair no matter what brand.

Having said that the first time you pull a load with a diesel and you'll have a permanent smile on your face.

I go back and forth as I have never had a diesel. We are getting to the point where we need a new tow vehicle. We currently are towing with a 6.0 Yukon (love that motor btw) and we have a TT. We know that we are enventually going to move into a 5th wheel and will need a truck.

While I know gas motors can do the job, I don't want to worry about not having enough motor, I don't want to worry about taking off when it's 100 degrees towing and worrying about temps and if my wife wants to head to Colorado and Wyoming (which she does) I want to get in and go without worrying about the truck. Maybe I am nuts and over thinking it?

Just a little scary when it comes to price of the trucks and repairs (when/if they come up) but that's the price we pay for our RV lifestyle, I guess?

Me Again wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

ducksquasher wrote:

Redwoodcamper wrote:
I can change out my entire Cummins fuel system on the roadside with a $179 harbor frieght tool kit. You will get alot off opinions from those that haven't replaced cp3s, cp4s, and the Injectors from all three companies. They are all really nice trucks. Until you have to work on them. Then there is only one really nice truck.

That is what I am getting at with my question...I know that all 3 have their issues being diesels but are the Cummins usually easier to repair for the most part? It seems like when a Ford breaks down the cab has to ripped off half the time to repair it or someone is saying that replacing the fuel pump was $8000?

You are correct!

He is incorrect about the cab having to come off all the time. The 6.7 PSD was designed for the majority of the repairs with the cab on. In addition I would bet that most here won't perform there own repairs if someone major would happen. Even our farm equipment these days has a John Deere technician to work on the engines. Replacing injectors and HPFP are very expensive on all brands and if anyone thinks the Ram or GM will warranty a fuel system repair with fuel contamination got their blindfolds on.

Anyone that believes that most Ford CP4-2 failures were "fuel contamination got their blindfolds on".

That's would be a negative ghost rider. Last time a discussed this topic with my cousin he reported that both the Ford and Chrysler shops are seeing roughly the same number of fuel system failures percentage wise due to fuel contamination. Any signs of rust, DEF contamination, gasoline, galvanize flakes is an automatic warranty denial plain and simple. One ram owner completely denied his fuel system was contaminated with DEF and blamed the Chrysler shop for sabotage. His truck was on a flat bed truck and was delivered to his house the same day.

I and this forum understand your trolling motives eyes wide open.

ducksquasher wrote:

Redwoodcamper wrote:
I can change out my entire Cummins fuel system on the roadside with a $179 harbor frieght tool kit. You will get alot off opinions from those that haven't replaced cp3s, cp4s, and the Injectors from all three companies. They are all really nice trucks. Until you have to work on them. Then there is only one really nice truck.

That is what I am getting at with my question...I know that all 3 have their issues being diesels but are the Cummins usually easier to repair for the most part? It seems like when a Ford breaks down the cab has to ripped off half the time to repair it or someone is saying that replacing the fuel pump was $8000?

My friend becomes highly annoyed at me when I point out he has what is widely considered the most reliable diesel engine. I should be more considerate, since I wasn't the one that had to pay his 5,500 dollar repair when one of his 6 injector tips broke off and sidelined his trip towing a 4,000 lb trailer in middle of nowhere West Texas.

In the end, if your truck is the one that has the issue, it doesn't really matter how reliable all the other same brand trucks are. I've had a friend put a new 6.0 in his Ford, and an Uncle that put a new Cummins in his Ram. Unsurprising, neither were real excited about the unexpected, premature, and very costly repairs.

One thing is for sure, you're unlikely to ever need a 5 grand injector job, or a 8 grand fuel system replaced if you choose the Gas engine over the Diesel.

blofgren wrote:


The current thread about the Shell Rotella oil is about the Ford 6.7L engine. Cummins has not issued such warnings about oils. I'll leave the rest of the puzzle to you. ;)

Ford uses iron, steel and aluminum to build their engines, so a good lubricant is required. If other manufacturers ignore a possible issue with some lubricants that are currently produced, what does it say about them? :@

Me Again wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

ducksquasher wrote:

Redwoodcamper wrote:
I can change out my entire Cummins fuel system on the roadside with a $179 harbor frieght tool kit. You will get alot off opinions from those that haven't replaced cp3s, cp4s, and the Injectors from all three companies. They are all really nice trucks. Until you have to work on them. Then there is only one really nice truck.

That is what I am getting at with my question...I know that all 3 have their issues being diesels but are the Cummins usually easier to repair for the most part? It seems like when a Ford breaks down the cab has to ripped off half the time to repair it or someone is saying that replacing the fuel pump was $8000?

You are correct!

He is incorrect about the cab having to come off all the time. The 6.7 PSD was designed for the majority of the repairs with the cab on. In addition I would bet that most here won't perform there own repairs if someone major would happen. Even our farm equipment these days has a John Deere technician to work on the engines. Replacing injectors and HPFP are very expensive on all brands and if anyone thinks the Ram or GM will warranty a fuel system repair with fuel contamination got their blindfolds on.

Anyone that believes that most Ford CP4-2 failures were fuel contamination got their blindfolds on.

X2

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

ducksquasher wrote:

Redwoodcamper wrote:
I can change out my entire Cummins fuel system on the roadside with a $179 harbor frieght tool kit. You will get alot off opinions from those that haven't replaced cp3s, cp4s, and the Injectors from all three companies. They are all really nice trucks. Until you have to work on them. Then there is only one really nice truck.

That is what I am getting at with my question...I know that all 3 have their issues being diesels but are the Cummins usually easier to repair for the most part? It seems like when a Ford breaks down the cab has to ripped off half the time to repair it or someone is saying that replacing the fuel pump was $8000?

You are correct!

He is incorrect about the cab having to come off all the time. The 6.7 PSD was designed for the majority of the repairs with the cab on. In addition I would bet that most here won't perform there own repairs if someone major would happen. Even our farm equipment these days has a John Deere technician to work on the engines. Replacing injectors and HPFP are very expensive on all brands and if anyone thinks the Ram or GM will warranty a fuel system repair with fuel contamination got their blindfolds on.

Anyone that believes that most Ford CP4-2 failures were "fuel contamination got their blindfolds on".

Op, the CP3 pump used in the Cummins is much more reliable than the CP4 unit used in the Ford and until this year, the GM diesel offerings. When the CP4 fails it sends metal shards throughout the entire fuel system trashing every component. When the CP3 fails, the truck simply will not run.

Don't let people try to convince you that these CP4 failures do not occur; they certainly do and you are most likely left holding the bag for the cost of the repair, especially if the truck is a Ford. I have seen 2 recent reports in the consumer section of our local news of VW owners in the same position (their diesel cars use the same pump).

I was a die hard Ford man for over 20 years and ended up owning a 6.0L diesel. When I finally had enough I looked into the 6.7L Ford but just could not do it and have to add who knows how many aftermarket kits to take care of the engine's shortcomings. If you look under the hood of a 6.7L Ford you will see that they are extremely complicated and will cost a fortune to repair. If you only will have the truck for the warranty period they would be an awesome truck. I intend on keeping my truck for a very long time so long term reliability and repair costs were paramount to me. I bought the truck in my signature 3 1/2 years ago and couldn't be happier.

The current thread about the Shell Rotella oil is about the Ford 6.7L engine. Cummins has not issued such warnings about oils. I'll leave the rest of the puzzle to you. ;)