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ScottG wrote:
mich800 wrote:
So stupid Americans cannot make an informed purchase but if we decide to purchase what "you" say we should we are brilliant.
Nope, didn't say that at all.
First I never said Americans were stupid, I said we make stupid choices because we don't research things. (We have the best technology and the most productive work force in the world no matter how it's measured)
Second, I never said Dodge was always the best choice.
My point is: Simply buying something because it's popular is indeed stupid.
Fair enough. But drawing a conclusion that something is popular due to uneducated decisions is not wise also. I purchased a Ford truck and did my homework. Modern vehicles on balance are reliable so if looks or color is the factor that sways a purchase so be it. It does not make that individuals decision any less valid as someone weighting an exhaust brake more in their analysis.
And I apologize for my tone earlier. I am just frustrated with the whole Americans are bad because we are successful that has been going around.mich800 wrote:
So stupid Americans cannot make an informed purchase but if we decide to purchase what "you" say we should we are brilliant.
Nope, didn't say that at all.
First I never said Americans were stupid, I said we make stupid choices because we don't research things. (We have the best technology and the most productive work force in the world no matter how it's measured)
Second, I never said Dodge was always the best choice.
My point is: Simply buying something because it's popular is indeed stupid.- So stupid Americans cannot make an informed purchase but if we decide to purchase what "you" say we should we are brilliant.
ScottG wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
dbbls wrote:
The bottom line, Ford is still the best selling pickup.
All that proves is that people like the words "PowerStroke" and "Super Duty".
Honestly any time I see a statement like that I have to second guess the item. Most Americans make poor choices imho. They pick cars on color and number of drink holders. They eat stupid, vote stupid and make choices based on superficial wants rather common sense or research.
So when something is popular I find I can almost always find a better choice.
Hey If Mike Roe is hucking it then it has to be good.Cummins12V98 wrote:
dbbls wrote:
The bottom line, Ford is still the best selling pickup.
All that proves is that people like the words "PowerStroke" and "Super Duty".
Honestly any time I see a statement like that I have to second guess the item. Most Americans make poor choices imho. They pick cars on color and number of drink holders. They eat stupid, vote stupid and make choices based on superficial wants rather common sense or research.
So when something is popular I find I can almost always find a better choice.SLE wrote:
Alright, lets get a few things straight. First off, the Ram 3500 and the Ford F450 for all intensive purposes are the same class truck, both carry a 14,000 lb GVWRs and both are rated to tow more than 30k lbs. I don't care how they are badged so long as they have similar GVWR and Tow Ratings. Jumping up to a 4500 Ram is going to yield worse results as the engines are derated in that series and it's likely a heavier truck which will handicap it even more. They are using the best configured Ram available which offers very similar ratings to the Ford.
Seconding, even if Ford uses an F350, the powertrain is the same right down to the rear end ratio, the differences are in frame, suspension components, tires, and maybe brakes (I don't know on that one). The race to the top of the hill wouldn't change. The handling and stopping might however I expect the exhaust brake and programming is the same between them.
Next, why is everyone always so hung up on the rear gear ratio. This is simply one component. Nobody mentions tire size, transmission ratios, torque converters, etc. The rear end ratio is only one part of the equation. At the end of the day, the deepest rear end available in Ram's Max Tow configuration is a 4.10 and for ford is a 4.30. Each manufacturer has determined these rear end ratios are what is needed to meet the subsequent rating for each truck. It comes down to a comparison of the two most capable trucks available in stock configuration.
Lastly, the last time this same test was ran (by the so called "ford advertising site"), the Dodge prevailed, Kudos to them for such a good package. Since that time the Ford has seen some changes and this should highlight how well those changes have been implemented and if they truly make a difference. It's obvious that Ford took that last test very seriously, looked at there truck, and made it a point to make some improvements. You can only hope the other manufacturers will do the same.
Good reply but I could never say it that great, thanks
chevmanVulcaneer wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
CP.3 vs CP.4. And the winner is?
Ram vs. Ford
USA vs. Afganistan Taliban
Russia vs. Ukraine
Israel vs. Hamas
Innocent people, and soldiers dying, or people dragging something up a hill. Hmmm. The enigma....
Sounds like you are on the wrong site?goducks10 wrote:
CP.3 vs CP.4. And the winner is?
Ram vs. Ford
USA vs. Afganistan Taliban
Russia vs. Ukraine
Israel vs. Hamas
Innocent people, and soldiers dying, or people dragging something up a hill. Hmmm. The enigma....- CP.3 vs CP.4. And the winner is?
- Alright, lets get a few things straight. First off, the Ram 3500 and the Ford F450 for all intensive purposes are the same class truck, both carry a 14,000 lb GVWRs and both are rated to tow more than 30k lbs. I don't care how they are badged so long as they have similar GVWR and Tow Ratings. Jumping up to a 4500 Ram is going to yield worse results as the engines are derated in that series and it's likely a heavier truck which will handicap it even more. They are using the best configured Ram available which offers very similar ratings to the Ford.
Seconding, even if Ford uses an F350, the powertrain is the same right down to the rear end ratio, the differences are in frame, suspension components, tires, and maybe brakes (I don't know on that one). The race to the top of the hill wouldn't change. The handling and stopping might however I expect the exhaust brake and programming is the same between them.
Next, why is everyone always so hung up on the rear gear ratio. This is simply one component. Nobody mentions tire size, transmission ratios, torque converters, etc. The rear end ratio is only one part of the equation. At the end of the day, the deepest rear end available in Ram's Max Tow configuration is a 4.10 and for ford is a 4.30. Each manufacturer has determined these rear end ratios are what is needed to meet the subsequent rating for each truck. It comes down to a comparison of the two most capable trucks available in stock configuration.
Lastly, the last time this same test was ran (by the so called "ford advertising site"), the Dodge prevailed, Kudos to them for such a good package. Since that time the Ford has seen some changes and this should highlight how well those changes have been implemented and if they truly make a difference. It's obvious that Ford took that last test very seriously, looked at there truck, and made it a point to make some improvements. You can only hope the other manufacturers will do the same.
