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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Sure nice they do mention the RAM had the 4:10's but never mention what the 450 had for gears. Ya think lower gears may get to the top first?
But the bottom line is the Medium Duty RAM will be doing it much longer than the Ford.
Pretty sad that Ford has to compare their 450 to RAM's 3500.
I recall and I'm sure you do too the video comparing the '15 F350 vs the RAM 3500 in two different up hill pulls. Let me know if you need the link again. :B
Don't worry there will be more video's comparing the two trucks in the near future. :WSLE wrote:
Alright, lets get a few things straight. First off, the Ram 3500 and the Ford F450 for all intensive purposes are the same class truck, both carry a 14,000 lb GVWRs and both are rated to tow more than 30k lbs. I don't care how they are badged so long as they have similar GVWR and Tow Ratings. Jumping up to a 4500 Ram is going to yield worse results as the engines are derated in that series and it's likely a heavier truck which will handicap it even more. They are using the best configured Ram available which offers very similar ratings to the Ford.
Seconding, even if Ford uses an F350, the powertrain is the same right down to the rear end ratio, the differences are in frame, suspension components, tires, and maybe brakes (I don't know on that one). The race to the top of the hill wouldn't change. The handling and stopping might however I expect the exhaust brake and programming is the same between them.
Next, why is everyone always so hung up on the rear gear ratio. This is simply one component. Nobody mentions tire size, transmission ratios, torque converters, etc. The rear end ratio is only one part of the equation. At the end of the day, the deepest rear end available in Ram's Max Tow configuration is a 4.10 and for ford is a 4.30. Each manufacturer has determined these rear end ratios are what is needed to meet the subsequent rating for each truck. It comes down to a comparison of the two most capable trucks available in stock configuration.
Lastly, the last time this same test was ran (by the so called "ford advertising site"), the Dodge prevailed, Kudos to them for such a good package. Since that time the Ford has seen some changes and this should highlight how well those changes have been implemented and if they truly make a difference. It's obvious that Ford took that last test very seriously, looked at there truck, and made it a point to make some improvements. You can only hope the other manufacturers will do the same.
Well said... Forget the plastic label badge on these trucks.- Perrysburg_DodgExplorer
lawnspecialties wrote:
As a former F450 owner, I still say they're focusing on the wrong stuff. Let's face it, most people who are shopping for a $70,000+ truck are not the kind who are planning to take their truck to do drag races and stuff. They're looking for a company work truck or something to pull their big giant 5th wheel.
Enough power already, even Chevrolet. Focus on dependability, longevity, and fuel mileage. I don't care how fast it pulls 30,000 lbs. How much diesel will I use from here to Disneyworld is far more important than how quick I can leave a stoplight.
X2 the best post in this thread right here!
Don - Perrysburg_DodgExplorer
SLE wrote:
Alright, lets get a few things straight. First off, the Ram 3500 and the Ford F450 for all intensive purposes are the same class truck, both carry a 14,000 lb GVWRs and both are rated to tow more than 30k lbs. I don't care how they are badged so long as they have similar GVWR and Tow Ratings. Jumping up to a 4500 Ram is going to yield worse results as the engines are derated in that series and it's likely a heavier truck which will handicap it even more. They are using the best configured Ram available which offers very similar ratings to the Ford.
SLE the issue I have with that rag is they don't have a problem using a Ram 1500 against a Ford F-150 with the HD payload/tow package and saying it a fair test. The F-150 has twice the payload and tow rating then the Ram, but when it comes to the Ford F-350 they say the Ram is "overqualified" and it wouldn't be fair. Whatever gets the sheep in to the Ford dealers right?
Seconding, even if Ford uses an F350, the powertrain is the same right down to the rear end ratio, the differences are in frame, suspension components, tires, and maybe brakes (I don't know on that one). The race to the top of the hill wouldn't change. The handling and stopping might however I expect the exhaust brake and programming is the same between them.
OK then why didn't they load the F-350 to it's max and run the Ram? Why because they (Ford) did that on their test track and it didn't work out for them. ALL the manufactures yes Ram included are going to run these test first behind closed test tracks to find out the out come. Do you think Ford, GM or Ram are going to buy trucks and do a blind test in front of the media? No not a snowballs chance in hell.
Next, why is everyone always so hung up on the rear gear ratio. This is simply one component. Nobody mentions tire size, transmission ratios, torque converters, etc. The rear end ratio is only one part of the equation. At the end of the day, the deepest rear end available in Ram's Max Tow configuration is a 4.10 and for ford is a 4.30. Each manufacturer has determined these rear end ratios are what is needed to meet the subsequent rating for each truck. It comes down to a comparison of the two most capable trucks available in stock configuration.
Lastly, the last time this same test was ran (by the so called "ford advertising site"), the Dodge prevailed, Kudos to them for such a good package. Since that time the Ford has seen some changes and this should highlight how well those changes have been implemented and if they truly make a difference. It's obvious that Ford took that last test very seriously, looked at there truck, and made it a point to make some improvements. You can only hope the other manufacturers will do the same.
The fact that the guy that started that mag is now working for Ford calls it's (the magazine) integrity in to question IMO. But hay he did sell it, even though he is still on the broad, so it's all good right. BTW they had no choice but to publish the results from the first test as then let the cat out of the bag before the test was done.
Don - BenKExplorer"....unique piston design...."
MonoMax also has a unique piston design...Edelbrock IAS's ditto and even has to
have the shocks mounted "upside down" from the traditional orientation
Because IAS's employ a 'rate of change' valving and the piston has be the one
moving...not static on a traditional mounting orientation...but they have
a high percentage of leakers...because of the pressurization working on
an 'up side down' orientation...
Then questions on the piston dia, hardened, etc, etc, etcTHAT
ARE NOT mentioned on most marketing blurbs - BenKExplorerOn another thread where shocks were in discussion...went to the Bilstein
site posted...
Here is their marketing verbiage that really says nothing. I also like
Bilsteins and have nothing against them...just that they too play the
marketing game...as they all have tobecause it works so well
on the herdBilstein B6 shocks
What sets them apart: Bilstein B6 shocks are designed with a mono-tube gas-pressure construction that provides increased traction and improved vehicle stability on the road. These shocks have been tested under extreme road conditions for maximum durability, precise handling, accurate steering, and superior damping capacity. Bilsten B6 shocks are also fine-tuned for enhanced road safety and exceptional ride comfort.Bilstein 4600 shocks
What sets them apart: Like their brothers B6 and B8, Bilstein 4600 shocks also boast of a mono-tube gas-pressure construction. What makes them a cut above the rest, though, is their unique piston design that provides higher sensitivity while delivering superior handling, optimum performance, and enhanced ride comfort.
Where they fit: These shocks require no modification whatsoever to your vehicle. They are specifically built for daily and off-road use. Great for enhancing the suspension system of stock height trucks, vans, and SUVS.
Ok, they both are gas pressured, Mono Tube, and one is for SUV's, trucks
and vans
The rest of the verbiage is out of context without either head to head
comparison and/or a spec sheet that has columns comparing to others
Then the: "blind brand loyalty" thing... - alcaracuExplorerget over it. a truck is a truck. pick what you like. I've ownrd fords, chevys and Toyotas and all treated me good if I treated the the same.
- BenKExplorerMarketing works very well on the herd...
Anyone ever strip off the marketing verbiage to find that, that ad said nothing?
Makes no difference which badge, which country, what it is...even toaster ovens
employ marketing
I'm a technologist and *LIKE* to read specifications...detailed specifications
and even then...find marketing influences there too - dodge_guyExplorer IIWow! less than 1 page to get completely off topic! that`s gotta be close to a record!
- goducks10Explorer
Vulcaneer wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
CP.3 vs CP.4. And the winner is?
Ram vs. Ford
USA vs. Afganistan Taliban
Russia vs. Ukraine
Israel vs. Hamas
Innocent people, and soldiers dying, or people dragging something up a hill. Hmmm. The enigma....
Well then lets all quit RV'ing. Gee wiz are we supposed to do nothing because of a war in another country? Then we should of never got into RV'ing because wars have been going on forever. Yes it is sad whats happening elsewhere. But I don't have control over another countries actions. We all feel the pain and suffering of those that give their lives for freedom.
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