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Hybridhunter wrote:
blofgren wrote:
I'll consider the Ford when it is still running like new after 300k plus miles with minimal engine work. Until then I'll keep my Ram thanks. Not only do I love it but my entire family does!
And remember this is coming from a guy who owned 3 Fords over the last 20 years including both the 7.3L and 6.0L diesels!
I'm sure the Rams superior reliability and longevity is the reason it's the worst selling HD truck, and almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry.
"...superior reliability and longevity..." used to describe any pickup truck for the US/Canada consumer market ... that is funny right there...
Aren't Ram heavy duty type trucks the best seller in western Canada?(source: rv.net so gotta be true), where weather is always nice and warm, not too hot, every road is smooth like glass, speed never exceeds 50 mph, downhill both ways, potholes and warshboard gravel don't exist, no one ever exceeds door sticker GVWGCWGAWR R's and the deer and the antelope play...chevor wrote:
How longs it gonna be before I can get a stock 500 hp 1000 ft/lb truck?
They are all over the lot down at your local medium&heavy duty truck dealer :)
Short on drink holders, bells and whistles though...- Never mind... :)
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
SLE the issue I have with that rag is they don't have a problem using a Ram 1500 against a Ford F-150 with the HD payload/tow package and saying it a fair test. The F-150 has twice the payload and tow rating then the Ram, but when it comes to the Ford F-350 they say the Ram is "overqualified" and it wouldn't be fair. Whatever gets the sheep in to the Ford dealers right?
Aside from your need to attack the intelligence for the majority who choose a Ford truck (over 2:1 over the Ram in fact). I would point out that If you compare the highest capacity F150 to the highest capacity Ram 1500, it's not even close. And crying like a schoolboy that it's unfair, likely won't sway too many buyers.
Tyco, one of the largest vehicle fleets in North America, has seen fit to ditch 250 / 2500 series trucks en masse, as the F150 HD fills the gap between poser truck, and heavy duty quite nicely.Hybridhunter wrote:
I'm sure the Rams superior reliability and longevity is the reason it's the worst selling HD truck, and almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry.
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Its bad marketing I guess ;)blofgren wrote:
I'll consider the Ford when it is still running like new after 300k plus miles with minimal engine work. Until then I'll keep my Ram thanks. Not only do I love it but my entire family does!
And remember this is coming from a guy who owned 3 Fords over the last 20 years including both the 7.3L and 6.0L diesels!
I'm sure the Rams superior reliability and longevity is the reason it's the worst selling HD truck, and almost unseen on industrial sites and in industry.- How longs it gonna be before I can get a stock 500 hp 1000 ft/lb truck?
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
SLE wrote:
Alright, lets get a few things straight. First off, the Ram 3500 and the Ford F450 for all intensive purposes are the same class truck, both carry a 14,000 lb GVWRs and both are rated to tow more than 30k lbs. I don't care how they are badged so long as they have similar GVWR and Tow Ratings. Jumping up to a 4500 Ram is going to yield worse results as the engines are derated in that series and it's likely a heavier truck which will handicap it even more. They are using the best configured Ram available which offers very similar ratings to the Ford.
SLE the issue I have with that rag is they don't have a problem using a Ram 1500 against a Ford F-150 with the HD payload/tow package and saying it a fair test. The F-150 has twice the payload and tow rating then the Ram, but when it comes to the Ford F-350 they say the Ram is "overqualified" and it wouldn't be fair. Whatever gets the sheep in to the Ford dealers right?
Seconding, even if Ford uses an F350, the powertrain is the same right down to the rear end ratio, the differences are in frame, suspension components, tires, and maybe brakes (I don't know on that one). The race to the top of the hill wouldn't change. The handling and stopping might however I expect the exhaust brake and programming is the same between them.
OK then why didn't they load the F-350 to it's max and run the Ram? Why because they (Ford) did that on their test track and it didn't work out for them. ALL the manufactures yes Ram included are going to run these test first behind closed test tracks to find out the out come. Do you think Ford, GM or Ram are going to buy trucks and do a blind test in front of the media? No not a snowballs chance in hell.
Next, why is everyone always so hung up on the rear gear ratio. This is simply one component. Nobody mentions tire size, transmission ratios, torque converters, etc. The rear end ratio is only one part of the equation. At the end of the day, the deepest rear end available in Ram's Max Tow configuration is a 4.10 and for ford is a 4.30. Each manufacturer has determined these rear end ratios are what is needed to meet the subsequent rating for each truck. It comes down to a comparison of the two most capable trucks available in stock configuration.
Lastly, the last time this same test was ran (by the so called "ford advertising site"), the Dodge prevailed, Kudos to them for such a good package. Since that time the Ford has seen some changes and this should highlight how well those changes have been implemented and if they truly make a difference. It's obvious that Ford took that last test very seriously, looked at there truck, and made it a point to make some improvements. You can only hope the other manufacturers will do the same.
The fact that the guy that started that mag is now working for Ford calls it's (the magazine) integrity in to question IMO. But hay he did sell it, even though he is still on the broad, so it's all good right. BTW they had no choice but to publish the results from the first test as then let the cat out of the bag before the test was done.
Don
Hi Don. I know you are passionate about these trucks because you build them and I understand that and thank you and your team for your awesome work on these beautiful beasts! We have only owned our Ram 4 months so far but we absolutely love it! My trucks over the last 20 years included a 1994 F-150, 1996 F-250 7.3L, and a 2003 F-350 DRW 6.0L, and as much as we were a bit nervous about buying this Ram, now that we have had it a while and towed with it a lot, we know without question that we made the right decision in buying it. I rarely go anywhere without someone asking questions about it and commenting about how beautiful it is.
Also, I am one out of 5 guys at my work that have bought new Rams lately, and there are another 2 that are ready to pull the trigger. So don't worry, the word is out there of how good they are, at least up here in Canada!Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
lawnspecialties wrote:
As a former F450 owner, I still say they're focusing on the wrong stuff. Let's face it, most people who are shopping for a $70,000+ truck are not the kind who are planning to take their truck to do drag races and stuff. They're looking for a company work truck or something to pull their big giant 5th wheel.
Enough power already, even Chevrolet. Focus on dependability, longevity, and fuel mileage. I don't care how fast it pulls 30,000 lbs. How much diesel will I use from here to Disneyworld is far more important than how quick I can leave a stoplight.
X2 the best post in this thread right here!
Don
I agree. I`de like to see them focus on 3-4 mpg better towing, not have any fuel system issues and go for 100`s of thousands of miles
without anything more than oil changes and fuel filter changes!
How much weight could one possibly tow on a regular basis? If I need that kind of towing capacity, then I need to look at what I`m doing because I screwed up somewhere! yes, even commercial guys don`t need that capacity very often. and if and when they do I don`t think they care about cresting a hill/mountain at 80mph!!!!Cummins12V98 wrote:
dbbls wrote:
The bottom line, Ford is still the best selling pickup.
All that proves is that people like the words "PowerStroke" and "Super Duty".
To me it means ford sells more truck PERIOD.....
chevman
