New Duramax Power Specs

drittal wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
1)So your saying ram is going to install the aisin in the 2500 trucks?

They don't have to in the numbers war. All they have to do is offer it in 3500.

2)So your saying aisin can handle a ~60hp bump just to match the competition?

Again, it doesn't have to handle 60hp, just 26ftlbs+ of torque to take the top position back of the torque wars.

3)I can assure you my truck has very little torque management and with an upgraded Allison I'm sure the Chevy will have very little too, and hall balls up mountains all day long.

Prove it. The Ford does have a very robust transmission, but the PS has enough torque to twist almost any part like a wet noodle in 1st gear with the converter unlocked. We know nothing about the transmission behind new Duramax.

Yeah lets put the best performing engine in a very very few selective trucks and call it "class leading".

In the meantime Ford and GM have a transmission that will provide real class leading power in all truck configurations. Now that's a "class act".

dodge guy wrote:
WOW! How much better mileage are they getting over the old motor?

Now that is a real question! :S :S :S

WOW! How much better mileage are they getting over the old motor?

FishOnOne wrote:
1)So your saying ram is going to install the aisin in the 2500 trucks?

They don't have to in the numbers war. All they have to do is offer it in 3500.

2)So your saying aisin can handle a ~60hp bump just to match the competition?

Again, it doesn't have to handle 60hp, just 26ftlbs+ of torque to take the top position back of the torque wars.

3)I can assure you my truck has very little torque management and with an upgraded Allison I'm sure the Chevy will have very little too, and hall balls up mountains all day long.

Prove it. The Ford does have a very robust transmission, but the PS has enough torque to twist almost any part like a wet noodle in 1st gear with the converter unlocked. We know nothing about the transmission behind new Duramax.

FishOnOne wrote:

drittal wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

drittal wrote:
You won't have to wait until 2019 to see cummins up power output. I no doubt believe they will up power for 2018 model year to regain torque lead.

What's ram going to do to improve the 68rfe to handle the extra power? We also know mild tuners wreak havoc on the cummins head gaskets!

Seams like it going to take some serious investment to take it to the next level.

1)They don't have to upgrade the 68rfe, they have the Aisin.

2)a canned tune isn't factory programming. A canned tune likely is just adding fuel. From what in have read, without changing VGT turbo vane geometry cylinder pressures will rise. If a proper tune is written you shouldn't have issue.

3)torque management is also an everyday acceptance on all the diesel engines to allow the rest of the drivetrain to hold up to the massive numbers current diesels put out.

1)So your saying ram is going to install the aisin in the 2500 trucks?

2)So your saying aisin can handle a ~60hp bump just to match the competition?

3)I can assure you my truck has very little torque management and with an upgraded Allison I'm sure the Chevy will have very little too, and hall balls up mountains all day long.

Your wrong about the torque management, the Chevy and Ford have an immense amount just like the Cummins does. Otherwise they would all break diffs, twist DS's and bust all kinds of other parts in low gears.

You have 100k on a 2017 PS?

FishOnOne wrote:

drittal wrote:
You won't have to wait until 2019 to see cummins up power output. I no doubt believe they will up power for 2018 model year to regain torque lead.

What's ram going to do to improve the 68rfe to handle the extra power? We also know mild tuners wreak havoc on the cummins head gaskets!

Seams like it going to take some serious investment to take it to the next level.

Nonsense, there is no weakness in the Cummins head gaskets and blown parts are incredibly rare. That is unless you wan to go back to the first gens when folks more than doubled the boost pressures..
Ohterwise it simply is not an issue.
Also, it doesn't use the 68rfe for the higher HP, it uses the Aisin. If they have to beef it up they'll just do like Allison does and make minor changes. Either trans Dodge uses is up to the task.

Me Again wrote:
I would be interested in what they did to the Allison 1000 to handle the new power?

Also I do not know how my measly 385/865 Cummins will ever get our 16K 5er over a pass. :W :W :W

Chris

I think you'll be fine ;) .

Didn't Ford do some upgrades to their transmission with this latest power bump?

Rich

FishOnOne wrote:
Outstanding... Looks like cummins will be sucking hind tit. I hear there's a 2019 update so perhaps there will be more much needed hp for the cummins then.

Actually I think the Ram/Cummins does great now. Everyone I know that has one just loves the truck. It was a difficult choice for me between the Ram and Chevrolet Dually. It came down to two things, my GF liked the seats better in the Chevy and I'm friends with the owner of the Chevy Dealership in my town. Not to mention they all have more than enough power to pull anything that you should be pulling with a pickup.

Rich

Maybe for 20 grand less people will just buy a weak RAM vs a Furd, Jimmy or Cheby? Don't know how they will ever be able to pull a pass with just 385/900? Maybe RAM will add pedals. Chris