New Hummer has crazy good specs. 1000 HP and 1150 torque.

Sjm9911 wrote:

Reisender wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Reisender wrote:

And for those who value the distance game that will continue to be an advantage. But for those who don’t spend 8 hours a day towing and just want to go fishing with the trailer in tow the EV tow vehicle will have a ton of advantages...

I don't spend 8 hours a day towing and it still won't work for me. Most people around here have to travel at least an hour and a half to get to a good fishing lake or two and a half hours to get to the coast to go bay fishing. Many people around here also take their RV's to the coast every summer as well which is two and a half to three and a half hours depending on which part of the Texas coast you are going. Then there is the fact that many of us travel three to five hours down to the valley/border areas to hunt and many camp houses do not have electricity.

There is also the fact that most ranchers in south Texas are weekend ranchers that live in the city yet have cattle many miles away on property that was handed down to them over generations. Our farm/ranch in 45 minutes away from where I live and if I have to take cattle to the auction then that is another 30 minutes away towing a 7k+ cattle trailer. Not to mention all of the idle time while trying to get the cattle rounded up and don't dare tell me that we should turn the vehicle off in 100+ heat. This is common here in my part of Texas.

So I don't tow 8 hours a day and never have yet it still won't work for me unless it either has a 500 empty/400 towing mile range, can take spare batteries with me, or I can charge it in minutes at a fuel station.

Sounds like it wouldn’t work for you. But for many I think it would. 300 miles towing would be more than adequate for many, including us. There are hundreds of camping and fishing spots around here that would be accessible for us under those conditions. I’m sure there will be EV tow vehicles that will be able to do 300 miles towing a 7000 pound trailer.

The telsa cyber truck will not do close to 300 miles towing, it does like 300 miles normally. 300 miles towing 7k pounds is not in the technology's capabilities now. I highly doubt the chevy will do anything more then that. In the future maybe, if they get battery tec better , or cheaper and lighter . But now thats basicly a flying car. Yes , i know they have them also.

I don’t think they have published any towing distances for the Cybertruck. Regardless. Sooner or later there will be EV’s that can tow 300 miles. Why??? Cause there is a market for it.

So.... I guess all these deleted and programmed diesel kings are not so cool anymore......lol

Reisender wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Reisender wrote:

And for those who value the distance game that will continue to be an advantage. But for those who don’t spend 8 hours a day towing and just want to go fishing with the trailer in tow the EV tow vehicle will have a ton of advantages...

I don't spend 8 hours a day towing and it still won't work for me. Most people around here have to travel at least an hour and a half to get to a good fishing lake or two and a half hours to get to the coast to go bay fishing. Many people around here also take their RV's to the coast every summer as well which is two and a half to three and a half hours depending on which part of the Texas coast you are going. Then there is the fact that many of us travel three to five hours down to the valley/border areas to hunt and many camp houses do not have electricity.

There is also the fact that most ranchers in south Texas are weekend ranchers that live in the city yet have cattle many miles away on property that was handed down to them over generations. Our farm/ranch in 45 minutes away from where I live and if I have to take cattle to the auction then that is another 30 minutes away towing a 7k+ cattle trailer. Not to mention all of the idle time while trying to get the cattle rounded up and don't dare tell me that we should turn the vehicle off in 100+ heat. This is common here in my part of Texas.

So I don't tow 8 hours a day and never have yet it still won't work for me unless it either has a 500 empty/400 towing mile range, can take spare batteries with me, or I can charge it in minutes at a fuel station.

Sounds like it wouldn’t work for you. But for many I think it would. 300 miles towing would be more than adequate for many, including us. There are hundreds of camping and fishing spots around here that would be accessible for us under those conditions. I’m sure there will be EV tow vehicles that will be able to do 300 miles towing a 7000 pound trailer.

The telsa cyber truck will not do close to 300 miles towing, it does like 300 miles normally. 300 miles towing 7k pounds is not in the technology's capabilities now. I highly doubt the chevy will do anything more then that. In the future maybe, if they get battery tec better , or cheaper and lighter . But now thats basicly a flying car. Yes , i know they have them also.

ShinerBock wrote:

Reisender wrote:

And for those who value the distance game that will continue to be an advantage. But for those who don’t spend 8 hours a day towing and just want to go fishing with the trailer in tow the EV tow vehicle will have a ton of advantages...

I don't spend 8 hours a day towing and it still won't work for me. Most people around here have to travel at least an hour and a half to get to a good fishing lake or two and a half hours to get to the coast to go bay fishing. Many people around here also take their RV's to the coast every summer as well which is two and a half to three and a half hours depending on which part of the Texas coast you are going. Then there is the fact that many of us travel three to five hours down to the valley/border areas to hunt and many camp houses do not have electricity.

There is also the fact that most ranchers in south Texas are weekend ranchers that live in the city yet have cattle many miles away on property that was handed down to them over generations. Our farm/ranch in 45 minutes away from where I live and if I have to take cattle to the auction then that is another 30 minutes away towing a 7k+ cattle trailer. Not to mention all of the idle time while trying to get the cattle rounded up and don't dare tell me that we should turn the vehicle off in 100+ heat. This is common here in my part of Texas.

So I don't tow 8 hours a day and never have yet it still won't work for me unless it either has a 500 empty/400 towing mile range, can take spare batteries with me, or I can charge it in minutes at a fuel station.

Sounds like it wouldn’t work for you. But for many I think it would. 300 miles towing would be more than adequate for many, including us. There are hundreds of camping and fishing spots around here that would be accessible for us under those conditions. I’m sure there will be EV tow vehicles that will be able to do 300 miles towing a 7000 pound trailer.

Reisender wrote:

And for those who value the distance game that will continue to be an advantage. But for those who don’t spend 8 hours a day towing and just want to go fishing with the trailer in tow the EV tow vehicle will have a ton of advantages...

I don't spend 8 hours a day towing and it still won't work for me. Most people around here have to travel at least an hour and a half to get to a good fishing lake or two and a half hours to get to the coast to go bay fishing. Many people around here also take their RV's to the coast every summer as well which is two and a half to three and a half hours depending on which part of the Texas coast you are going. Then there is the fact that many of us travel three to five hours down to the valley/border areas to hunt and many camp houses do not have electricity.

There is also the fact that most ranchers in south Texas are weekend ranchers that live in the city yet have cattle many miles away on property that was handed down to them over generations. Our farm/ranch in 45 minutes away from where I live and if I have to take cattle to the auction then that is another 30 minutes away towing a 7k+ cattle trailer. Not to mention all of the idle time while trying to get the cattle rounded up and don't dare tell me that we should turn the vehicle off in 100+ heat. This is common here in my part of Texas.

So I don't tow 8 hours a day and never have yet it still won't work for me unless it either has a 500 empty/400 towing mile range, can take spare batteries with me, or I can charge it in minutes at a fuel station.

Sjm9911 wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Sjm9911 wrote:

DBH_MI wrote:

Not sure how they are calculating horsepower, but if I applied the same math they used to come up with the 11,500 lb-ft of torque then my 2014 CTD makes over 13,500 lb-ft at the wheel.

The difference is that the Electric Vehicle has all it's torque available from zero RPM all the way to the top speed of the vehicle. Not that it matters for tow vehicles, but that is the major reason internal combustion vehicles get waxed by electric vehicles in a drag race.

They might get waxed in a drag race, but it only takes me 10 minutes to gas up and get back on the road. So , i will win the distance race.

And for those who value the distance game that will continue to be an advantage. But for those who don’t spend 8 hours a day towing and just want to go fishing with the trailer in tow the EV tow vehicle will have a ton of advantages...including refueling overnight at the campground or at home. Is that a signigicant part of the market? Who knows. But for those who don’t use their half tons for the long haul the superior performance of the Electric truck or SUV will be Very attractive. So all manufacturers need to have their foot in that door. Not to mention dec 31 2039 is coming and there will be lots of regions in North America where it will be illegal to sell anything with a tail pipe.

The ideas are good, electric just isnt there yet. With more power stations and such it may get there. But tbh we have no real idea of the drains towing will make on these vehicals. We have the one tesla ocar that towed a bit and the toll the towing took on the battery was a lot. So, in the future it may be a viable option. Or as you said, a small TT going a short distance. Its just not there yet. You can get exiced about it. But right now its more of an oddity, or something to oh and ah over. Its not nessassarly something practical. I can also see a lot of campgrouds with allready stressed infrastructure also limiting charging capacity if it does catch on. With each new thing we introduce comes unforseen stuff also.

Yah I tend to agree. Until the first Rivian or cybertruck or whoever comes out first starts to tow we just won’t know.

I’m not worried about the campground towing. They will adapt in time or disappear. Same with auto parts stores. Big change for them coming. EV’s font have very many user changeable parts and don’t need much maintenance.

Reisender wrote:

Sjm9911 wrote:

DBH_MI wrote:

Not sure how they are calculating horsepower, but if I applied the same math they used to come up with the 11,500 lb-ft of torque then my 2014 CTD makes over 13,500 lb-ft at the wheel.

The difference is that the Electric Vehicle has all it's torque available from zero RPM all the way to the top speed of the vehicle. Not that it matters for tow vehicles, but that is the major reason internal combustion vehicles get waxed by electric vehicles in a drag race.

They might get waxed in a drag race, but it only takes me 10 minutes to gas up and get back on the road. So , i will win the distance race.

And for those who value the distance game that will continue to be an advantage. But for those who don’t spend 8 hours a day towing and just want to go fishing with the trailer in tow the EV tow vehicle will have a ton of advantages...including refueling overnight at the campground or at home. Is that a signigicant part of the market? Who knows. But for those who don’t use their half tons for the long haul the superior performance of the Electric truck or SUV will be Very attractive. So all manufacturers need to have their foot in that door. Not to mention dec 31 2039 is coming and there will be lots of regions in North America where it will be illegal to sell anything with a tail pipe.

The ideas are good, electric just isnt there yet. With more power stations and such it may get there. But tbh we have no real idea of the drains towing will make on these vehicals. We have the one tesla ocar that towed a bit and the toll the towing took on the battery was a lot. So, in the future it may be a viable option. Or as you said, a small TT going a short distance. Its just not there yet. You can get exiced about it. But right now its more of an oddity, or something to oh and ah over. Its not nessassarly something practical. I can also see a lot of campgrouds with allready stressed infrastructure also limiting charging capacity if it does catch on. With each new thing we introduce comes unforseen stuff also.

Sjm9911 wrote:

DBH_MI wrote:

Not sure how they are calculating horsepower, but if I applied the same math they used to come up with the 11,500 lb-ft of torque then my 2014 CTD makes over 13,500 lb-ft at the wheel.

The difference is that the Electric Vehicle has all it's torque available from zero RPM all the way to the top speed of the vehicle. Not that it matters for tow vehicles, but that is the major reason internal combustion vehicles get waxed by electric vehicles in a drag race.

They might get waxed in a drag race, but it only takes me 10 minutes to gas up and get back on the road. So , i will win the distance race.

And for those who value the distance game that will continue to be an advantage. But for those who don’t spend 8 hours a day towing and just want to go fishing with the trailer in tow the EV tow vehicle will have a ton of advantages...including refueling overnight at the campground or at home. Is that a signigicant part of the market? Who knows. But for those who don’t use their half tons for the long haul the superior performance of the Electric truck or SUV will be Very attractive. So all manufacturers need to have their foot in that door. Not to mention dec 31 2039 is coming and there will be lots of regions in North America where it will be illegal to sell anything with a tail pipe.

DBH_MI wrote:

Not sure how they are calculating horsepower, but if I applied the same math they used to come up with the 11,500 lb-ft of torque then my 2014 CTD makes over 13,500 lb-ft at the wheel.

The difference is that the Electric Vehicle has all it's torque available from zero RPM all the way to the top speed of the vehicle. Not that it matters for tow vehicles, but that is the major reason internal combustion vehicles get waxed by electric vehicles in a drag race.

They might get waxed in a drag race, but it only takes me 10 minutes to gas up and get back on the road. So , i will win the distance race.

mich800 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Not sure how they are calculating horsepower, but if I applied the same math they used to come up with the 11,500 lb-ft of torque then my 2014 CTD makes over 13,500 lb-ft at the wheel.

1,230 lb-ft at the crank(level 4 tune) X 3.23 first gear X 3.42 rear axle ratio = 13,587 lb-ft at the wheels

Engineered Explained HERE touched on this during his video on the Bronco crawler gear. That the electric vehicle manufacturers quoting their wheel torque is misleading.

Yeah, if I added my 2.64 low gear of my truck like he did in the video, it would be 35,870 lb-ft.