"No fun while towing"
Just musing tonight I keep seeing this term "It will be no fun while towing with (insert whatever here)" Mostly this term refers to someone answering another person who they perceive has a l...
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There is no one size fits all...
Personal choice and so many times depends...
Depends on how they drive
What they drive
What they tow
Where they tow
and the biggie is their background, experience and a big ETC
I LOVE my 2.4L in line six's song rev'ing up to red line...going
through the gears...but that doesn't mean I like 'my' TV to also
rev up to it's red line. Blew it up and going to love the 'built'
3.1L in-line six & close ratio 5 speed manual on the engine stand
waiting for me to get to making up a custom header system
I LOVE my 5.7L small block V8 in the 33 year old C10 Silverado when
it rev's through the gears both empty and hauling (don't tow with
it anymore).
I do NOT like to rev my 13 year old Odyssey's V6, unless am passing
or some such. Otherwise it is my daily and going out on the town
vehicle.
I LOVE my 7.4L big block rev'ing when am being boy racer out on the
boulevard beating up some who cut me off thinking they have more, but
I do NOT like to rev past 3,400 RPMs towing in 3rd. Red line starts
at around 4,400 RPMs with a dashed red line and it become solid at 4,800 RPMS
I have both a 'half ton' and a light one at that. Or compared to today's
half ton GVWR's. It is at 6,200 GVWR and 'was' the heavy duty half
ton of it's day. It has a small block and it is 'built'...meaning
a cam and the works...except stock exhaust because of the smog testing
here in Calif
So know pretty much all about half ton TV's from the 33 years of
borrowing it from dad, till dad gave it to me
Have a 8.6K GVWR big block Suburban and that is my TV. Sold the boat
(+8.6K plus trailer & misc), but borrow many trailers. A couple of those
trailer owners have small block Suburbans (7.4K GVWR and both GMT800
and GMT900). So have a good comparison between my GMT400 to the newer
GMT800 and even newer GMT900.
They do get more MPG when used as cars, but towing the same trailer
has them drop down 'close' to my big block's...yes still a bit more
but that is how things work between a big block and small block (mainly
pumping losses and the beefier components & the inertia loads that
must be over come and sustained)
Yes these newer small blocks and their close ratio trannies do have
the gearing to put down to pavement similar to more power than my
17 year old's big block...but they are not quicker when used as cars
Ditto towing...getting up to speed is a bit slower, but it's not a
race...but...folks judge performance mainly by time to speed (they
don't get it that braking is also a performance metric)
These small block's 'similar' to 'more' power is at RPMs 2x or more
than my big block, which has +400 ft/lbs of torque at about 1,800 RPMS
So mine gets it going a tick sooner and keeps going till it shifts.
They also shift once and are ready to shift again before mine ****s
into 2nd. Of course WOT during these boy racer tests... :)
Have used this term often, but it is the best way to describe it...
Diesel folks can also say that... :)
Personal choice and so many times depends...
Depends on how they drive
What they drive
What they tow
Where they tow
and the biggie is their background, experience and a big ETC
I LOVE my 2.4L in line six's song rev'ing up to red line...going
through the gears...but that doesn't mean I like 'my' TV to also
rev up to it's red line. Blew it up and going to love the 'built'
3.1L in-line six & close ratio 5 speed manual on the engine stand
waiting for me to get to making up a custom header system
I LOVE my 5.7L small block V8 in the 33 year old C10 Silverado when
it rev's through the gears both empty and hauling (don't tow with
it anymore).
I do NOT like to rev my 13 year old Odyssey's V6, unless am passing
or some such. Otherwise it is my daily and going out on the town
vehicle.
I LOVE my 7.4L big block rev'ing when am being boy racer out on the
boulevard beating up some who cut me off thinking they have more, but
I do NOT like to rev past 3,400 RPMs towing in 3rd. Red line starts
at around 4,400 RPMs with a dashed red line and it become solid at 4,800 RPMS
I have both a 'half ton' and a light one at that. Or compared to today's
half ton GVWR's. It is at 6,200 GVWR and 'was' the heavy duty half
ton of it's day. It has a small block and it is 'built'...meaning
a cam and the works...except stock exhaust because of the smog testing
here in Calif
So know pretty much all about half ton TV's from the 33 years of
borrowing it from dad, till dad gave it to me
Have a 8.6K GVWR big block Suburban and that is my TV. Sold the boat
(+8.6K plus trailer & misc), but borrow many trailers. A couple of those
trailer owners have small block Suburbans (7.4K GVWR and both GMT800
and GMT900). So have a good comparison between my GMT400 to the newer
GMT800 and even newer GMT900.
They do get more MPG when used as cars, but towing the same trailer
has them drop down 'close' to my big block's...yes still a bit more
but that is how things work between a big block and small block (mainly
pumping losses and the beefier components & the inertia loads that
must be over come and sustained)
Yes these newer small blocks and their close ratio trannies do have
the gearing to put down to pavement similar to more power than my
17 year old's big block...but they are not quicker when used as cars
Ditto towing...getting up to speed is a bit slower, but it's not a
race...but...folks judge performance mainly by time to speed (they
don't get it that braking is also a performance metric)
These small block's 'similar' to 'more' power is at RPMs 2x or more
than my big block, which has +400 ft/lbs of torque at about 1,800 RPMS
So mine gets it going a tick sooner and keeps going till it shifts.
They also shift once and are ready to shift again before mine ****s
into 2nd. Of course WOT during these boy racer tests... :)
Have used this term often, but it is the best way to describe it...
It is like trying to explain sex to a virgin
Diesel folks can also say that... :)
