February 28 2020 GM will shut down the plant that produces the Impala, Buick LaCrosse, Cadillac CT-6 and retool the plant to build electric pickups.

All manufacturers are getting rid of "most" of their car lines. Ford will only make the Mustang, and a variant of the Focus in the near future. they are putting their eggs in the SUV basket..As for me. I love my Taurus, and wouldn't trade it for any SUV on the market. Ride is style, and comfort. At 80 mph. you can't even feel it moving. And it gets 29 MPG.

Toyota and Honda will be selling all the sedans in the future.

GeoBoy wrote:Toyota and Honda will be selling all the sedans in the future.Along with KIA, Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, Volkswagen, Lexus, Infiniti and others.

Terryallan wrote:All manufacturers are getting rid of "most" of their car lines. Ford will only make the Mustang, and a variant of the Focus in the near future. they are putting their eggs in the SUV basket..As for me. I love my Taurus, and wouldn't trade it for any SUV on the market. Ride is style, and comfort. At 80 mph. you can't even feel it moving. And it gets 29 MPG.That is my exact feeling with our Taurus as well. We can get 31-32 mpg depending on weather, but we have no stop and go traffic to deal with.

They have not made true luxury automobiles for many years, they've been trying to imitate European cars. I would order tomorrow, in a heartbeat, another 1979 Cadillac Coupe DeVille De'Elegance.

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mkirsch
Nomad II
Dec 11, 2019
NJRVer wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
What is better? A car with padded bumpers, or a car with a driver or other avoidance system that does not hit pedestrians?

Or what's better a car that has an angular bumper that would tend to flip you up and over or a flat "wall that would knock you down and then run over you?

Regardless, if you're the pedestrian you're not getting away without at least some broken knees...
JRscooby
Explorer II
Dec 11, 2019
NJRVer wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Physically larger engines need physically larger hoods to cover them?

Well, in line 6 needs more hood length.

Well, starting in the mid '60s some model/engine combinations where getting tight to work on. (One Saturday morning I drove a station wagon to brothers body shop. Had key to feed watchdogs. I pulled a barely running El-Camino in, removed the engine. Hooked a chain to both trailer hitches to lead Ellie out and up the hill. Backed the little trailer in to load old engine, parked it out of the way. Pulled wagon in, lifted engine out, pushed wagon out, and down the street. Rolled Ellie in, bolted good engine in place. Not in a hurry, taking time for a couple of joints and beers, less than 4 hours, shop cleaned up, towing the old engine to car wash to start rebuild. I did haul the hood in bed to a friend, need more than 2 hands to put it back on.) By the mid '70s, changing the plugs on most took many wrench changes. Now, even a V6 can be a PITA.
NJRVer
Explorer
Dec 11, 2019
JRscooby wrote:
What is better? A car with padded bumpers, or a car with a driver or other avoidance system that does not hit pedestrians?

Or what's better a car that has an angular bumper that would tend to flip you up and over or a flat "wall that would knock you down and then run over you?
NJRVer
Explorer
Dec 11, 2019
Bedlam wrote:
Physically larger engines need physically larger hoods to cover them?

Well, in line 6 needs more hood length.
JRscooby
Explorer II
Dec 11, 2019
What is better? A car with padded bumpers, or a car with a driver or other avoidance system that does not hit pedestrians?
mich800
Explorer
Dec 11, 2019
Bedlam wrote:
8.1 Van wrote:
cybertruck on 405 s FW, Dec 7th at 11pm. Ford F-150 move out the way. Elon Musk driving.

Pedestrian safety may be an issue with the Cybertruck design whether Musk is driving or someone else. Europe mandates certain designs that help protect a pedestrian when hit:

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/12/07/while-other-countries-mandate-safer-car-designs-for-pedestrians-america-does-nothing/

But many automakers design with pedestrians in mind even without it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrian_safety_through_vehicle_design

Pedestrians should be afraid no matter what Elon is driving. He doesn't look like the most skilled driver. He completely took out the parking sign leaving the restaurant in the truck.
Bedlam
Moderator
Dec 11, 2019
Physically larger engines need physically larger hoods to cover them?
NJRVer
Explorer
Dec 11, 2019
Grit dog wrote:
NJRVer wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
NJRVer wrote:
When you look vehicles today compared with what was on the market in the '60's and 70's, todays vehicles are huge.

Growing up we used to think of a Pontiac Bonneville as an absolute monstrosity.
Now park one next to Lexus and the Pontiac looks small in comparison.

:h The Bonneville was 7 inches longer and 7 inches wider with a foot longer wheelbase and an engine more than twice the size.

Hardly amounts to much difference 7" longer.

Engine size has nothing to do with it.

A lot of todays vehicles can't fit in a garage from the '60's or 70's.

Give it up bud. The big boats of the 50s, 60s, 70s-90s are every bit as big or bigger physically than today’s big cars. And most of the engines were bigger too.
Not sure what you’re getting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ptUrQOMPs

Not sure why you keep referring to engine size.
Those old engines were giant boat anchors when you compare their size and weight to HP out put.
8_1_Van
Explorer
Dec 10, 2019

While Other Countries Mandate Safer Car Designs for Pedestrians, America Does Nothing

Maybe ban delivery vehicles and use solar powered trikes.

Solar-powered cargo trikes offer clean 'last mile' food transport in Amsterdam
Bedlam
Moderator
Dec 10, 2019
8.1 Van wrote:
So the Cybertruck is worse for pedestrians than Sprinter vans and pickups ? How ?

If you read the links I provided early, you would have your answer. You probably missed this link too:

https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29wgs/wp29gen/wp29registry/ECE-TRANS-180a9app1e.pdf