No more GM diesels?!

Range depletion is an issue in non ideal conditions. The ones I have tested lost 10-30% range driving in constant rain. Between the extra road resistance and wipers on full time. Price is a huge factor now but range anxiety also has to be over come for the average driver. Until then I don’t see it becoming more than a second vehicle.

agesilaus wrote:
"New research from AAA reveals that when the mercury dips to 20 degrees Fahrenheit, the average driving range of an electric car decreases by 41 percent. When colder temperatures hit, EV owners have the same instinct as their internal combustion engine-driving brethren, which is to crank up the heat as high as it will go. This puts a serious strain on an EV’s battery, reducing the overall range and increasing the need to charge more often to minimize the chance of being stranded by a dead battery."
"Extreme heat is also a drag on electric vehicles. When outside temperatures heat up to 95 degrees Fahrenheit and air conditioning is used inside the vehicle, driving ranges can decrease by 17 percent, AAA reports. Extreme temperatures certainly play a role in diminishing driving range, but the use of the vehicle’s heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC) system in these conditions — particularly the heat — has by far the greatest effect."
"The problem is that, unlike a car with an internal combustion engine that can warm the cabin with waste heat, EVs have to tap into their batteries to power the climate control system."

The Verge

It seems you are the one who doesn't understand or who wants to conceal what they do understand. I've read accounts of people who look at their range meter and decide if they turn on the a/c or heat they will run out of battery before getting to the next charging station. Thus no HVAC for them.

Yah no. Never been in that situation in 4 years of driving EV’s. If I was I would simply buy a gasser as an EV wouldn’t suit my needs. Most people have commutes of less than 50 kilometres...including us. If your EV has a range of 300 km or more (the vast majority of EV’s sold do) then who cares if your range drops to 200 km. EV’s don’t suit everyone’s driving needs but for many they are a perfect fit...and with none of the disadvantages of gassers.

The highest uptake rate of EV’s is in northern countries.

It’s been a while since I drove a gasser or diesel car but air conditioning used to affect mileage as well.

"New research from AAA reveals that when the mercury dips to 20 degrees Fahrenheit, the average driving range of an electric car decreases by 41 percent. When colder temperatures hit, EV owners have the same instinct as their internal combustion engine-driving brethren, which is to crank up the heat as high as it will go. This puts a serious strain on an EV’s battery, reducing the overall range and increasing the need to charge more often to minimize the chance of being stranded by a dead battery."
"Extreme heat is also a drag on electric vehicles. When outside temperatures heat up to 95 degrees Fahrenheit and air conditioning is used inside the vehicle, driving ranges can decrease by 17 percent, AAA reports. Extreme temperatures certainly play a role in diminishing driving range, but the use of the vehicle’s heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC) system in these conditions — particularly the heat — has by far the greatest effect."
"The problem is that, unlike a car with an internal combustion engine that can warm the cabin with waste heat, EVs have to tap into their batteries to power the climate control system."

The Verge

It seems you are the one who doesn't understand or who wants to conceal what they do understand. I've read accounts of people who look at their range meter and decide if they turn on the a/c or heat they will run out of battery before getting to the next charging station. Thus no HVAC for them.

agesilaus wrote:
speculate the dealers salespersons direct people away from electric as it takes too long to educate the customer. Much quicker to close a deal on a petrol vehicle and move to the next customer. Sales people probably do not really understand EVs unless they own one.
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What hogwash. People understand electrics right now. They are expensive. They have very limited range. And who knows how long that battery will last and how much a replacement will cost. Recharging that battery makes traveling cross country a real trial with long waits for the battery to charge assuming you can find a recharging station. And finally having one means going without air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter.

Hmmm. Why would you have no AC or heat? I think you contradicted your statement of “people understand electrics right now”.

speculate the dealers salespersons direct people away from electric as it takes too long to educate the customer. Much quicker to close a deal on a petrol vehicle and move to the next customer. Sales people probably do not really understand EVs unless they own one.
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What hogwash. People understand electrics right now. They are expensive. They have very limited range. And who knows how long that battery will last and how much a replacement will cost. Recharging that battery makes traveling cross country a real trial with long waits for the battery to charge assuming you can find a recharging station. And finally having one means going without air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter.

Reisender wrote:
I wouldn’t worry about GM ramping up EV production anytime soon. They had plans to get EV production to 2500 per month this year. Or roughly 2 days of Tesla production. They didn’ make it. :).

Sales is more the issue than production limits.

I speculate the dealers salespersons direct people away from electric as it takes too long to educate the customer. Much quicker to close a deal on a petrol vehicle and move to the next customer. Sales people probably do not really understand EVs unless they own one.

I wouldn’t worry about GM ramping up EV production anytime soon. They had plans to get EV production to 2500 per month this year. Or roughly 2 days of Tesla production. They didn’ make it. :).

RV’r stops at golf course.

Fools offer a battery electric vehicle...

RV’r demands a diesel... preferably a dooly for stability ...

Pro tip: If the web address contains "wordpress.com", you better triple check everything you read against an actual credible source of information.

Me Again wrote:
He does not know that an electric motor is the real motor! For years we have confused an Internal Combustion Engine as a motor.

Well we all know when a motor is called an engine what the meaning is. Ever hear when talking about power "we need more motor".

Also our fat old fingers hit the wrong letter when typing and we all know the meaning. I know you have done this. So what seems important really is not.

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