Ordering a ‘23 Powerstroke

RCMAN46 wrote:

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How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke?

Did Ford up and hire a bucnh of ex Ram guys and now all cornfused or what the hay is going on?

NVM the absolute mystery of the new 6.8 gasser, to either fit in between where the 6.2 left off and the 7.3 takes over? Or is it too going to be a HOE and smaller displacement but more snort than Godzilla? (kinda like the Hellcat is smaller than the base sRT)

Now this whole deezul thing... Are you guys implying that Frod is going to downgrade the "standard" Flowerjoke to a milquetoast 370/850 and offer that in light duty models with a HOE upgrade?
Or are y'all completely confused and the HOE will be the standard in all the light duties with the detuned version for Med Duty use, as it is currently (the transgender F450 pickup that is rated like a 350 but bigger but not as big as a real F450, not withstanding)?

The 6.8 gasser replaces the 6.2 and will be mated to the ten speed transmission. It will be significantly more powerful than the outgoing 6.2. Both the regular and high output Powerstrokes will be available in all trims levels on F250s through F450 pick ups. The HOE will have a water cooled turbo housing, stainless exhaust manifold and significant increase in power.

Yet the "regular" one is going to be 370/850 if I read right, which is about what the detuned med duty Scorpion motors are, correct?
So you're saying there's going to be new light duty Flowerjokes running around with less lead in their pencils than previous model years?
This makes about as much sense as having 2 gassers that are literally about 2deg of timing advance from each other in the HP department.

Weird stuff going on at Frod....

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the new 6.8 litre gas is going to be significantly more powerful than the 6.2 and the 7.3 gets a big bump in power. The regular 6.7 Powerstroke will have 475 HP and the high output gets a significant bump. Ford is not releasing numbers... the comment I heard from a Ford engineer was something like "we are not releasing the numbers but when we do our customers are going to be happy". I'd like see a bigger boost in torque vs HP. 1200 lbft at 1600 rpm with 540 HP at 2600 rpm would be wonderful and 1250 lbft @ 1600 and 525 hp at 2600 rpm would be even better.

ya you cant boost torque with out increasing HP though.. one of the side effects that I love about diesel is the more power they squeeze out of it generaly the better the milage if you can keep your foot out of it. going to be interesting to see what it is.

Steve

The Cummins only makes 420 HP but has a 36% torque rise.... As the engine pulls down on a hill the torque at the rear wheels increases to meet the hill's demand. The Powerstroke only has about a 9% torque rise.... If you are pulling a heavy load up a steep hill with your foot to the floor with a Powerstroke the engine does not build nearly as much torque as it slows. The rpm will drop quicker until the next gear can be selected ... the increase in rear wheel torque comes largely from gearing... hence the 10 speed transmission behind the Powerstroke. You can boost torque without increasing peak HP. If the Powerstroke were capable of making 1500 lb ft of torque at 1600 rpm the engineers could fuel it to make that 1500 lb ft of peak torque and still only make 475 peak HP at 2600 rpm. That engine would have a 56% torque rise. The larger diesel engines often have different power curves offered depending on the type of work they are designed to do. A 500 HP Cat C15 can produce 1850 lb ft of torque and has a 48% torque rise.

Can you provide a link that shows the torque/hp curves for the 2022 or 2023 Cummins both standard output and High output. I have searched the internet and have not been able to find any torque/hp curves for the Cummins for the last 5 years.

I haven't seen the torque curves for the new engines but I can generate torque and power curves from the specs that we have available.

Here is a torque curve and power curve for the 2021 HO Cummins I've generated:



Or this graph is a little different scale that shows both plotted on the same graph: