Ordering a ‘23 Powerstroke

I think you just explained why the CUMMINS does NOT need more than a 6 speed.

StirCrazy wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke?

Did Ford up and hire a bucnh of ex Ram guys and now all cornfused or what the hay is going on?

NVM the absolute mystery of the new 6.8 gasser, to either fit in between where the 6.2 left off and the 7.3 takes over? Or is it too going to be a HOE and smaller displacement but more snort than Godzilla? (kinda like the Hellcat is smaller than the base sRT)

Now this whole deezul thing... Are you guys implying that Frod is going to downgrade the "standard" Flowerjoke to a milquetoast 370/850 and offer that in light duty models with a HOE upgrade?
Or are y'all completely confused and the HOE will be the standard in all the light duties with the detuned version for Med Duty use, as it is currently (the transgender F450 pickup that is rated like a 350 but bigger but not as big as a real F450, not withstanding)?

The 6.8 gasser replaces the 6.2 and will be mated to the ten speed transmission. It will be significantly more powerful than the outgoing 6.2. Both the regular and high output Powerstrokes will be available in all trims levels on F250s through F450 pick ups. The HOE will have a water cooled turbo housing, stainless exhaust manifold and significant increase in power.

Yet the "regular" one is going to be 370/850 if I read right, which is about what the detuned med duty Scorpion motors are, correct?
So you're saying there's going to be new light duty Flowerjokes running around with less lead in their pencils than previous model years?
This makes about as much sense as having 2 gassers that are literally about 2deg of timing advance from each other in the HP department.

Weird stuff going on at Frod....

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the new 6.8 litre gas is going to be significantly more powerful than the 6.2 and the 7.3 gets a big bump in power. The regular 6.7 Powerstroke will have 475 HP and the high output gets a significant bump. Ford is not releasing numbers... the comment I heard from a Ford engineer was something like "we are not releasing the numbers but when we do our customers are going to be happy". I'd like see a bigger boost in torque vs HP. 1200 lbft at 1600 rpm with 540 HP at 2600 rpm would be wonderful and 1250 lbft @ 1600 and 525 hp at 2600 rpm would be even better.

ya you cant boost torque with out increasing HP though.. one of the side effects that I love about diesel is the more power they squeeze out of it generaly the better the milage if you can keep your foot out of it. going to be interesting to see what it is.

Steve

The Cummins only makes 420 HP but has a 36% torque rise.... As the engine pulls down on a hill the torque at the rear wheels increases to meet the hill's demand. The Powerstroke only has about a 9% torque rise.... If you are pulling a heavy load up a steep hill with your foot to the floor with a Powerstroke the engine does not build nearly as much torque as it slows. The rpm will drop quicker until the next gear can be selected ... the increase in rear wheel torque comes largely from gearing... hence the 10 speed transmission behind the Powerstroke. You can boost torque without increasing peak HP. If the Powerstroke were capable of making 1500 lb ft of torque at 1600 rpm the engineers could fuel it to make that 1500 lb ft of peak torque and still only make 475 peak HP at 2600 rpm. That engine would have a 56% torque rise. The larger diesel engines often have different power curves offered depending on the type of work they are designed to do. A 500 HP Cat C15 can produce 1850 lb ft of torque and has a 48% torque rise.

afidel wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke?

Did Ford up and hire a bucnh of ex Ram guys and now all cornfused or what the hay is going on?

NVM the absolute mystery of the new 6.8 gasser, to either fit in between where the 6.2 left off and the 7.3 takes over? Or is it too going to be a HOE and smaller displacement but more snort than Godzilla? (kinda like the Hellcat is smaller than the base sRT)

Now this whole deezul thing... Are you guys implying that Frod is going to downgrade the "standard" Flowerjoke to a milquetoast 370/850 and offer that in light duty models with a HOE upgrade?
Or are y'all completely confused and the HOE will be the standard in all the light duties with the detuned version for Med Duty use, as it is currently (the transgender F450 pickup that is rated like a 350 but bigger but not as big as a real F450, not withstanding)?

The 6.8 is all about supply chain management, by replacing the 6.2 with with an engine that shares 95% components with the 7.3 they are vastly simplifying the supply chain and making it so they only have to keep one engine family updated going forward.

The whole 6.8/7.3 gas engines makes no sense. They are too close in terms of capability and if they boost the 7.3 by adding a turbo or something, then the 7.3 will be competing with the diesel.

4x4ord wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke?

Did Ford up and hire a bucnh of ex Ram guys and now all cornfused or what the hay is going on?

NVM the absolute mystery of the new 6.8 gasser, to either fit in between where the 6.2 left off and the 7.3 takes over? Or is it too going to be a HOE and smaller displacement but more snort than Godzilla? (kinda like the Hellcat is smaller than the base sRT)

Now this whole deezul thing... Are you guys implying that Frod is going to downgrade the "standard" Flowerjoke to a milquetoast 370/850 and offer that in light duty models with a HOE upgrade?
Or are y'all completely confused and the HOE will be the standard in all the light duties with the detuned version for Med Duty use, as it is currently (the transgender F450 pickup that is rated like a 350 but bigger but not as big as a real F450, not withstanding)?

The 6.8 gasser replaces the 6.2 and will be mated to the ten speed transmission. It will be significantly more powerful than the outgoing 6.2. Both the regular and high output Powerstrokes will be available in all trims levels on F250s through F450 pick ups. The HOE will have a water cooled turbo housing, stainless exhaust manifold and significant increase in power.

Yet the "regular" one is going to be 370/850 if I read right, which is about what the detuned med duty Scorpion motors are, correct?
So you're saying there's going to be new light duty Flowerjokes running around with less lead in their pencils than previous model years?
This makes about as much sense as having 2 gassers that are literally about 2deg of timing advance from each other in the HP department.

Weird stuff going on at Frod....

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the new 6.8 litre gas is going to be significantly more powerful than the 6.2 and the 7.3 gets a big bump in power. The regular 6.7 Powerstroke will have 475 HP and the high output gets a significant bump. Ford is not releasing numbers... the comment I heard from a Ford engineer was something like "we are not releasing the numbers but when we do our customers are going to be happy". I'd like see a bigger boost in torque vs HP. 1200 lbft at 1600 rpm with 540 HP at 2600 rpm would be wonderful and 1250 lbft @ 1600 and 525 hp at 2600 rpm would be even better.

ya you cant boost torque with out increasing HP though.. one of the side effects that I love about diesel is the more power they squeeze out of it generaly the better the milage if you can keep your foot out of it. going to be interesting to see what it is.

Steve

4x4ord wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
I’m planning on ordering a ‘23 Super Duty as soon as the order banks open. I don’t need more power and I’ll probably only keep the truck for a year. How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke? Is the larger turbo of the high output going to cost more at the pumps? I think justifying the Cummins high output is a little easier as it includes the Aisin transmission. The only way it makes sense for me with the Powerstroke is if I’m going to get my money back on the resale.

Do you buy them or Lease them? I have a buddy back in AB that does a 2 year lease then renturns it and gets a brand new one.

The low Canadian dollar and shortage of trucks in the US has created a very strong export market here. I don’t doubt leasing is working out. I buy from the same dealer all the time and they treat me well. Selling the used truck has been very easy.

Nice. I wish I could get enough selling my 2014 to justify getting a dualy haha

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke?

Did Ford up and hire a bucnh of ex Ram guys and now all cornfused or what the hay is going on?

NVM the absolute mystery of the new 6.8 gasser, to either fit in between where the 6.2 left off and the 7.3 takes over? Or is it too going to be a HOE and smaller displacement but more snort than Godzilla? (kinda like the Hellcat is smaller than the base sRT)

Now this whole deezul thing... Are you guys implying that Frod is going to downgrade the "standard" Flowerjoke to a milquetoast 370/850 and offer that in light duty models with a HOE upgrade?
Or are y'all completely confused and the HOE will be the standard in all the light duties with the detuned version for Med Duty use, as it is currently (the transgender F450 pickup that is rated like a 350 but bigger but not as big as a real F450, not withstanding)?

The 6.8 gasser replaces the 6.2 and will be mated to the ten speed transmission. It will be significantly more powerful than the outgoing 6.2. Both the regular and high output Powerstrokes will be available in all trims levels on F250s through F450 pick ups. The HOE will have a water cooled turbo housing, stainless exhaust manifold and significant increase in power.

Yet the "regular" one is going to be 370/850 if I read right, which is about what the detuned med duty Scorpion motors are, correct?
So you're saying there's going to be new light duty Flowerjokes running around with less lead in their pencils than previous model years?
This makes about as much sense as having 2 gassers that are literally about 2deg of timing advance from each other in the HP department.

Weird stuff going on at Frod....

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the new 6.8 litre gas is going to be significantly more powerful than the 6.2 and the 7.3 gets a big bump in power. The regular 6.7 Powerstroke will have 475 HP and the high output gets a significant bump. Ford is not releasing numbers... the comment I heard from a Ford engineer was something like "we are not releasing the numbers but when we do our customers are going to be happy". I'd like see a bigger boost in torque vs HP. 1200 lbft at 1600 rpm with 540 HP at 2600 rpm would be wonderful and 1250 lbft @ 1600 and 525 hp at 2600 rpm would be even better.

4x4ord wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke?

Did Ford up and hire a bucnh of ex Ram guys and now all cornfused or what the hay is going on?

NVM the absolute mystery of the new 6.8 gasser, to either fit in between where the 6.2 left off and the 7.3 takes over? Or is it too going to be a HOE and smaller displacement but more snort than Godzilla? (kinda like the Hellcat is smaller than the base sRT)

Now this whole deezul thing... Are you guys implying that Frod is going to downgrade the "standard" Flowerjoke to a milquetoast 370/850 and offer that in light duty models with a HOE upgrade?
Or are y'all completely confused and the HOE will be the standard in all the light duties with the detuned version for Med Duty use, as it is currently (the transgender F450 pickup that is rated like a 350 but bigger but not as big as a real F450, not withstanding)?

The 6.8 gasser replaces the 6.2 and will be mated to the ten speed transmission. It will be significantly more powerful than the outgoing 6.2. Both the regular and high output Powerstrokes will be available in all trims levels on F250s through F450 pick ups. The HOE will have a water cooled turbo housing, stainless exhaust manifold and significant increase in power.

Yet the "regular" one is going to be 370/850 if I read right, which is about what the detuned med duty Scorpion motors are, correct?
So you're saying there's going to be new light duty Flowerjokes running around with less lead in their pencils than previous model years?
This makes about as much sense as having 2 gassers that are literally about 2deg of timing advance from each other in the HP department.

Weird stuff going on at Frod....

4x4ord wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
DUDE!!! When are you going to come to the dark side???

I came close awhile back…. If I bought a Ram I’d definitely miss the Ford towing mirrors and my wife doesn’t want to give up the massage seats in the Ford. When is the next HD Ram redesign suppose to happen?

No idea!

I'm sure a person could add a massager to the seats.

Sounds like the RAM mirrors will be different in the near future. I like mine a lot so I guess I will hold onto the OLD 15 with 95k on the clock.

afidel wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke?

Did Ford up and hire a bucnh of ex Ram guys and now all cornfused or what the hay is going on?

NVM the absolute mystery of the new 6.8 gasser, to either fit in between where the 6.2 left off and the 7.3 takes over? Or is it too going to be a HOE and smaller displacement but more snort than Godzilla? (kinda like the Hellcat is smaller than the base sRT)

Now this whole deezul thing... Are you guys implying that Frod is going to downgrade the "standard" Flowerjoke to a milquetoast 370/850 and offer that in light duty models with a HOE upgrade?
Or are y'all completely confused and the HOE will be the standard in all the light duties with the detuned version for Med Duty use, as it is currently (the transgender F450 pickup that is rated like a 350 but bigger but not as big as a real F450, not withstanding)?

The 6.8 is all about supply chain management, by replacing the 6.2 with with an engine that shares 95% components with the 7.3 they are vastly simplifying the supply chain and making it so they only have to keep one engine family updated going forward.

Makes sense, but I'd say supply chain and marketing in equal doses. There is zero practical benefit and very little pitfalls as a consumer to have a choice of 2 identical vehicles with, what, less than 20 hp difference.
Except for the marketing aspect. Can't have the "big" engine, if there's no "little" engine to compare it to?

Now if Ford is sandbagging some "big" news and plans to thumb their corporate nose at the woke greenie movement with a "HO" version of the 7.3...500hp isn't tough to get out of that engine basically for free, then this makes sense.

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
How many of you are going to be willing to pay an extra $1500 (just a guess) for a high output Powerstroke?

Did Ford up and hire a bucnh of ex Ram guys and now all cornfused or what the hay is going on?

NVM the absolute mystery of the new 6.8 gasser, to either fit in between where the 6.2 left off and the 7.3 takes over? Or is it too going to be a HOE and smaller displacement but more snort than Godzilla? (kinda like the Hellcat is smaller than the base sRT)

Now this whole deezul thing... Are you guys implying that Frod is going to downgrade the "standard" Flowerjoke to a milquetoast 370/850 and offer that in light duty models with a HOE upgrade?
Or are y'all completely confused and the HOE will be the standard in all the light duties with the detuned version for Med Duty use, as it is currently (the transgender F450 pickup that is rated like a 350 but bigger but not as big as a real F450, not withstanding)?

The 6.8 gasser replaces the 6.2 and will be mated to the ten speed transmission. It will be significantly more powerful than the outgoing 6.2. Both the regular and high output Powerstrokes will be available in all trims levels on F250s through F450 pick ups. The HOE will have a water cooled turbo housing, stainless exhaust manifold and significant increase in power.