Payload discrepancies

4x4ord wrote:
I tend to load er up and go. If the truck acts overloaded I take it easy. In Alberta we are supposed to be mindful of our tire ratings.....axle ratings are enforced on big trucks next but disrespecting a vehicles payload, which is derived from the GVWR doesn't have much consequence as far as I know.

I am reminded of my step-fathers attitude when hauling firewood in the 1950s:
There are two questions to be asked!
1. Will it move?
and
2. Will it stop?

If the answer to both questions is "YES!" you are good to go.
If the answer to EITHER question is "NO!", fix the problem, then you are good to go.
My old '94 Dodge 3500 dually was registered for 14,000 lbs. GVW. I picked that number as a "I don't think I will ever exceed that!" guess. AFAIK, I never did.
I don't know what my current 2500 is "rated" for, and I don't care.

06Fargo wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
I tend to load er up and go. If the truck acts overloaded I take it easy. In Alberta we are supposed to be mindful of our tire ratings.....axle ratings are enforced on big trucks next but disrespecting a vehicles payload, which is derived from the GVWR doesn't have much consequence as far as I know.

4x4ord - yer correct - an AB scale officer confirmed my SRW 3500 on 265mm tires would be legal at 265 x 10kg/mm of x 2 tires = 5300kg per axle OR the maximum load rating/psi of the tires whichever is less. In addition it is an offence to operate a vehicle that is "unsafely loaded." DOT has discretion to weigh any vehicle that appears to be unsafely loaded.

Would this truck be considered "unsafely loaded" as it cruised by a DOT patrol 10 mins before this happened?

That load is about on par with here in the states. 500 lbs per inch width of tire, 265mm is about 10.5" or 5250 per tire, 10,500 per axel. THAT is the legal load I get here in Wa st, as long as I have a paid for license that is at or over this amount. If under this amount, I get the paid for amount.
My C2500 has a paid for plate of 8000 lbs, I do not get to drive legally at 8600 as my door sticker max gvwr per GM states. My old dually had an 11400 door sticker, I have a 14K paid for plate, I was legal to 14K lbs gvwr on the axels. I was good to the 10K ont he front, and 20K on the rear due to tire widths etc. My C2500 is good to 4750 per tire with 245 rubber.
My Navistar is also good to the same weights per DOT ont eh tires as the 3500, as they ea have the same max per axel. Over 30K lbs. I only have a paid for license to 26K, but manufactures rating is 18200. Been pulled over at 27K, did not get a ticket. as I was under the max load per tire widths! All of you will be the same. I was given a 10 day up the registered license to 28K lbs.....I did have to pay for the lack of paid for license. All of maybe $20!

Marty

4x4ord wrote:
I tend to load er up and go. If the truck acts overloaded I take it easy. In Alberta we are supposed to be mindful of our tire ratings.....axle ratings are enforced on big trucks next but disrespecting a vehicles payload, which is derived from the GVWR doesn't have much consequence as far as I know.

4x4ord - yer correct - an AB scale officer confirmed my SRW 3500 on 265mm tires would be legal at 265 x 10kg/mm of x 2 tires = 5300kg per axle OR the maximum load rating/psi of the tires whichever is less. In addition it is an offence to operate a vehicle that is "unsafely loaded." DOT has discretion to weigh any vehicle that appears to be unsafely loaded.

Would this truck be considered "unsafely loaded" as it cruised by a DOT patrol 10 mins before this happened?

Nate1979 wrote:
GVWR - curb weight = payload for your truck as loaded.

I do not understand the debate and discrepancy here.

The payload door sticker is for quick reference only.

ACTUAL Payload CURRENT STATE is DERIVED/CALCULATED from GVWR - curb weight.

Its that simple. End of story.

I tend to load er up and go. If the truck acts overloaded I take it easy. In Alberta we are supposed to be mindful of our tire ratings.....axle ratings are enforced on big trucks next but disrespecting a vehicles payload, which is derived from the GVWR doesn't have much consequence as far as I know.

The yellow payload stickers were added to make the manufacturers liable for their products and to make the information readily available by the consumer after the Firestone/Explorer rollover issues in the late 90's when Ford was blaming Firestone and Firestone was blaming Ford. It's only a certification sticker imposed by the NHTSA on the manufacturers to inform the consumer of the vehicles weight recommendations off the show room floor.

There are many things that can alter the number on the door like a lower tire pressure than what is recommended on the sticker or replacing the tires with a lower load rated tire. You can also remove items off your vehicles and/or replace them with lighter parts which would also alter that number. This is why the number on the door is not enforced by law for non-commercial vehicles due the many unknown variables effecting the number, and instead it is the GVWR that your vehicle is registered for that is enforced.

If you want to be within your GVWR, then the best thing to do is fill the tank and weigh the truck with you in it. Subtract that weight from your GVWR to get your payload. Then adjust for any weight you add or subtract from that point on.

MitchF150 wrote:
(the last time I weighed #150, I couldn't even drive yet!)

Mitch

You and me both brother!

The driver IS considered as payload that would count against the yellow sticker.. Eat a big turkey dinner... Counts against the payload.. ;)

You might be thinking of the "tow rating", where they allow for a #150 driver... (the last time I weighed #150, I couldn't even drive yet!)

Mitch

rhagfo wrote:


Yep, Old-Biscuit nailed it. In my opinion the only real use for the yellow sticker is comparing rated payloads on the dealers lot.
Once that vehicle leaves the lot that number goes down with every item you add to the vehicle. The other tag that has been around for a very long time "the VIN" has very important information that many fail to understand. It has GVWR and individual Axle weight ratings. Both the Yellow and VIN have the minimum tire size to maintain the GVWR/Payload depending which sticker you are looking at.

The yellow does have the additional information of the Size and PRESSURE to carry the MAX payload.
I am assuming this is the one from Old-Biscuits Ram, you will notice the pressure stated is 65 psi on a LT 275/70-18E tire with a MAX sidewall pressure of 80 psi. The 65 psi will safely carry the load, and provide the best TRACTION and ride at max payload. If empty the rear pressures can be reduced.

Not from my 07 3500......just an example off internet

Three 05 duallies, one had a 4300 lbs payload, another 4100, another yet, 3500 lbs! The one with 4300 lbs, was a rwd diesel, the 4100 lbs one was mine, an LS 4wd, The 3500 lbs one, was a leather full optioned 4x4. ALL were white, crew cab duallies........OPTIONS make up a BIG factor as to how much payload you will have vs the brochure number. UNLESS you have a three option rig like my 2000 C2500, you will not have anywhere near the brochure wt. My C2500 weighs in at 4800 lbs, only chargable options are the auto trans, trailer hitch etc, and trim rings. My trailer rating is at the 8500 brochure amount with one 150 lb driver, The payload is 100 lbs less than brochure due to auto, trailer hitch pkd and trim rings....
My 05 with the diesel/auto, LS pkg was closer to 1200 lbs LESS than the brochure wt payload vs a stripped gas rig!

Marty