Question on F150 Eco GVWR
Hello all, We are zeroing in on our new TV - we've decided on an F150 SCREW... previously looking at a Suburban but the GVWR was too low on the 1500 and the 2500 was out of our range. I've rese...
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Welcome and you are asking the right questions, but you are using
marketing verbiage where this is really a 'ratings' game
First decide if you believe in the ratings/limits/specifications or not
If not, then do whatever but know that if you still have warranty that
the OEM is now off the warranty hook if you exceed those ratings (that
'R' in all of the acronyms). Plus you are now on the hook for any
liability based on that 'ratings' system
If yes, then read up and learn how that system works. Yes, system
and most folks take an individual 'rating' by it self. Dangerous as
it is a 'system' and not any one component is a stand alone 'rating'
Since a system, any of the 'summations' of 'ratings' trump those
individual ratings
Below your quote is a diagram of how the ratings system looks like
as a whole. Also a link to a thread posted trying to answer your
question. Bottom line on that is to forget the marketing verbiage
and only use the 'ratings' acronyms
Like that another forum member posted that he found IIRC, 15 different
'half ton' truck offerings from Ford. These are 'half ton' trucks: 6.3K GVWR,
7.2K GVWR, 7.4K GVWR, 7.6K GVWR, 8.1K GVWR, 8.6K GVWR and am sure
there are many more
'Half ton' is the most common, as folks new to pickups normally only
look at a 'half ton', which has 'P' class tires (passenger car) that
has to be de-rated a min of 9% when used on a truck
Another point that confuses newbies and even older or seasoned pickup
truck owners is that the different classes (half ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton)
all use the same base body. Take the half ton Suburban and the 3/4 ton
Suburban. They both use the exact same body, but everything underneath
that body is different (frame, drive train, suspension, brakes, etc)
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marketing verbiage where this is really a 'ratings' game
First decide if you believe in the ratings/limits/specifications or not
If not, then do whatever but know that if you still have warranty that
the OEM is now off the warranty hook if you exceed those ratings (that
'R' in all of the acronyms). Plus you are now on the hook for any
liability based on that 'ratings' system
If yes, then read up and learn how that system works. Yes, system
and most folks take an individual 'rating' by it self. Dangerous as
it is a 'system' and not any one component is a stand alone 'rating'
Since a system, any of the 'summations' of 'ratings' trump those
individual ratings
Below your quote is a diagram of how the ratings system looks like
as a whole. Also a link to a thread posted trying to answer your
question. Bottom line on that is to forget the marketing verbiage
and only use the 'ratings' acronyms
Like that another forum member posted that he found IIRC, 15 different
'half ton' truck offerings from Ford. These are 'half ton' trucks: 6.3K GVWR,
7.2K GVWR, 7.4K GVWR, 7.6K GVWR, 8.1K GVWR, 8.6K GVWR and am sure
there are many more
'Half ton' is the most common, as folks new to pickups normally only
look at a 'half ton', which has 'P' class tires (passenger car) that
has to be de-rated a min of 9% when used on a truck
Another point that confuses newbies and even older or seasoned pickup
truck owners is that the different classes (half ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton)
all use the same base body. Take the half ton Suburban and the 3/4 ton
Suburban. They both use the exact same body, but everything underneath
that body is different (frame, drive train, suspension, brakes, etc)
datadr wrote:
Hello all,
We are zeroing in on our new TV - we've decided on an F150 SCREW... previously looking at a Suburban but the GVWR was too low on the 1500 and the 2500 was out of our range.
I've researched the differences in the max tow package and standard tow package, and there seems to be some strange inconsistencies in the GVWR that don't make sense. A 145" WB with the std tow and 3.55 rear has a GVWR of 7200#, GCWR of 15500#. Same vehicle with the max tow package has a GVWR of 7650#, GCWR of 17100#. Only difference is a slightly updated hitch (extra 800# capacity)and tow mirrors. The 3.73 rear is a requirement for the max tow, but you can find 3.73 rears without the max tow, and their GVWR is 7200#. I've inspected both on the lot and the suspension is identical, same number of leaf springs, same shock part numbers, etc.
From my understanding, GVWR has everything to do with frame, suspension, brakes, axle, etc. Here's how the axle ratings flush out:
MAX TOW
GCWR: 17100#
GVWR: 7650#
Rear GAWR: 4050#
Front GAWR: 3750#
Axle Ratio: 3.73
STD TOW
GCWR: 15500#
GVWR: 7200#
Rear GAWR: 3850#
Front GAWR: 3750#
The max tow pkg has a combined axle rating of 7800#, and std tow has a combined rating of 7600# (adding the two together). So therefore, if the combined limit of the axles on a std tow F150 is 7600#, why is the GVWR only 7200#? And if the max two gets you 450# additional capacity, why is there only a 200# difference in the two?
Here's why I care: I'm stressing over whether to get the max tow or not. They aren't easy to find in the XLT with the specific options we want and we don't want to order it. Plus, we aren't big fans of the mirrors, preferring to use slip-ons when towing. This vehicle will be used mostly as a daily driver for my wife, and we'll tow 3-4 weeks out of a year max. Our TT loaded for camping is only 5040#. However, when we do go camping, there's 5 of us which will put us at or slightly over the GVWR on a std tow F150. I think the numbers are a little fudged for marketing... suspension is the same, frame is the same, brakes are the same. The GCWR of the std tow F150 is 15500, which we won't even come close to.
Thoughts? Advice? Am I overthinking this?
Thanks, gents! Appreciate the feedback.
- Mike
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