GVWR question

Kayteg1 wrote:

shum02 wrote:


I'm from ON where the OP is. I live within 10 minutes of 4 of the busiest truck scales probably in all of Canada and NEVER have RV's been pulled through them, EVER.

I have used them to weigh my rig though and even had a scale house guy come out and spot me. Could have cared less about my rig and weight and just as an aside the scales are always turned on and you are pretty much welcome to use them if they are not pulling in COMMERCIAL traffic.

All pickups in Ontario are classified as commercial but if YOU are not pulling for money but are pulling for personnel with no remuneration then it is not for commercial purposes.

SO many people just do NOT get it.

You think they pull over over loaded minivans pulling dble axle "light weight" RV's and nail them for being over all rating including tires on the van?? Nope. If it looks safe, is driven safe, then it's considered safe. LEO's won't touch it.

Welcome to Ontario.

And again, getting away with ignoring non-enforced law is not the same as being law-compliant.

I'm guessing you are well acquainted with Ontario CA towing regs then??

Please, the floor is yours then.

Kayteg1 wrote:

burningman wrote:
Most scales in California specifically say “No Pickups” right on the sign out front.

Do you know "pickup" definition for California?

It’s those things most of us have that we carry campers on, that aren’t even allowed into most of the truck scales. And those are places I regularly take real-trucks into, where the DOT officers don’t care what the manufacturer rating is.
They care how much tonnage you’ve paid for, how much weight is on what size tires, how many of them and how far the axles are spaced apart.
They do not care what the truck maker says.

stevenal wrote:
I think folks are confusing axle weights with axle weight ratings. The scales weigh a vehicle one axle at at time, and the weigh master sums them to get the vehicle weight. I saw nothing in the thread that axle ratings are added.

Axle weight codes doesn't have to say a rating. In fact most state don't read a axle rating ...just "vehicles axles".
Like the BC scale weight says;
**The gross weight of any vehicle or combination of vehicles shall be the sum of the individual gross axle weights of all the axles of the vehicle or combination of vehicles. **

"axles of the vehicle".
Example would be a F350srw with a 7230 rawr and a 6000 fawr = 13230 lb gvw.

BC spells it out ; "rated capacity"
Maximum gross weight for axles
(1) A person must not, without an overload permit, drive or operate on a highway a vehicle loaded or configured so that

(a) the gross weight on an axle exceeds the manufacturer's rated capacity for that axle or for the brake or suspension system with which the axle is equipped.....

or from another state
** The tire load rating shall be marked on the tire sidewall. A tire, wheel, or axle may not carry a greater weight than the manufacturer's rating.**

When dot says the vehicles axle system they will pick the lessor rating of the wheel/tire/vehicle axles on that vehicle.

When I said axle weights I meant if they weigh you they will add up what your axles weigh and as long as you are not over your registered weight on the registration you will be ok door sticker does not matter at least not in Ontario or BC in Canada

Dave

I think folks are confusing axle weights with axle weight ratings. The scales weigh a vehicle one axle at at time, and the weigh master sums them to get the vehicle weight. I saw nothing in the thread that axle ratings are added.

JIMNLIN wrote:
Lancey...your paste and copy doesn't come from any BC size and weight codes but rather a info sheet. Read on down to the bottom where its says quote:
***Information on this Info sheet is subject to change without notice. In the event of conflict with this Info Sheet and the Motor Vehicle Act and Regulations, the Acts and Regulations shall apply.***

Now when we look at BC's MVAR "weighing of vehicles" code it says in part ; (paste and copy as its long)

** The gross weight of any vehicle or combination of vehicles shall be the sum of the individual gross axle weights of all the axles of the vehicle or combination of vehicles. **

That's what the ministry says in Ontario add the axles together if you are not over no problems. I was just wondering because I go to BC and I know that they can be sticky, so you say BC goes by axle weights added together, could not find that on any paperwork so I phoned BC and they said same thing as Ontario they go by axle weights and registration weight, just make sure you are insured for excess weight

Dave

I am in Clark Co, Nevada and they don't have commercial classification for pickups. I know Clark Co is different than rest of NV on several levels, so my experience might be different due that.
Fact is that registration for F350 is not cheaper here, than what I paid in California.

Kayteg1 wrote:
Sounds like Ontario and California are so far reported states, where the owner has to declare weights he is going to carry and nobody looks at bogus door stickers anymore.
The difference seems to be that in California you have to declare GCVW and in Ontario GVW ?
Sad news is that other states like to follow California with their laws sooner or later.

Same is true with Nevada DMV...I know absolutely FIRST HAND...Pay to play - No biggie, better to be honest and pay in advance...

burningman wrote:
Most scales in California specifically say “No Pickups” right on the sign out front.

Do you know "pickup" definition for California?

shum02 wrote:

djg wrote:
I have a 1995 F-350 dually, door sticker says GVRW is 4500kg I'm not overloaded on axle weight but am on gross weight according to door sticker usually around 4750kg gross. My registration in Ontario lets me up my weight to 5000kg no increase in cost of truck license am I still considered overloaded at a scale does anyone have any info on this. I can go as high as 6000kg but for a heafty price tag and I don't need the extra weight, currently registered at 5000kg

Dave

I have mine registered for 4K kgs GVWR and am typically close to 8K kgs GCVWR, camper has 7000lbs on the axle and around 900lbs on the tongue plus passengers and gear.

They are NOT going to pull over a TC and weight it. Way to much worry about these numbers and Ontario tags. It's a RV not commercial.

The reason I was asking was in BC they do weigh campers so if you are legal in your province you are legal everywhere

Dave