boocoodinkydow wrote:
Hybridhunter wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Hybridhunter wrote:
.... Some numbers, not factoring in parasitic loss.
One more time.......................ED................PENTASTAR V6
Cruising @ 60/140whp.......1900rpm...............2500rpm
Climbing @ 240 WHP.........3600rpm (Peak /WOT)...4500rpm (still another 2000rpm to go)
Not exactly earth-shattering stuff.
Do you totally disregard torque because you're unable to comprehend it's effectiveness or is it the fact you find it easier to bash the ed using horsepower comparisons? It seems you've devoted an abnormal amount of research time to ferret out any negative statement that's ever been made about it. Talk about biased!!!
I suppose if the facts don't line up with your ideology, attacking the source is the only way to go.
I understand the whole torque vs horsepower issue, a lot better than many who post on it. But there comes a point when lack of horsepower is the determining factor.
How about an intelligent response to the about post indicating that at most loads a diesel with 240hp is not going to be some super engine vs a gasser with 60 more hp. 600-1000rpm, $4k, that is the difference.
The ED is not going to be the effortless / superior tow rig that the large diesels are. It will be a compromised (HP and Payload) machine. If this were a boat forum, I would be firmly on the other side of this debate.
Still waiting for the engine this truck should have got, sigh, the cummins......
i sense that an intelligent response would probably be a waste of time so i'll try to keep it simple for you. torque lets you do the work, but horsepower lets you do the work quickly. so take your all important horsepower ratings & go racing & i'll take my torque & haul the load!! and i've never seen a claim that the ed was intended to be a superior tv to rival the hd trucks but rather an exceptional light duty truck with capabilities of towing a moderate load while attaining great fuel economy; nothing more, nothing less!!!
You apparently don't understand torque or horsepower. Those anecdotes mean nothing. Torque at the crank is a meaningless number without knowing how much power (as in horsepower) an engine is making. I can generate 1000Ft/lbs with a breaker bar. I can't tow worth a damn! Torque X rpm / 5252 is horsepower. Increase either the rpm or the torque, and power is increased. I was posting about actual engine horsepower, because after it passes through the various stages or gear reduction, that is what determines how much power is at the wheels.
On a low output engine such as the ED, when compared to a gasser, and virtually any speed, any load, it will run 600 to 1000rpms less, with the gas truck owner
having the option to use the extra 60hp. Or he can, (as many people would) run along about the same pace as the ED, and not use the engine above 4500rpm. (while the ED is FULL BOOST /FULL RPM, heating up...)
And undisputedly, the ED will get better mileage, all the time, under all circumstances. It just requires the owner tolerate the initial wallet lightening when buying it. And hopefully diesel doesn't go back to being 15% more expensive like it was here 3 months ago.
It still makes no sense that the same people that argue 300hp "in a full size truck" is not adequate for towing, are arguing that 240hp is plenty. That is just a philosophical argument, not a fact based one. I see no one has challenged the numbers I've presented. HMmm
