Ram 1500 with 3.0 diesel

ChooChooMan74 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

naturist wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Someone is seriously drunk if they think a 240 HP truck will beat a 365 HP truck towing up a hill. :R

Someone is seriously ignorant with regard to the significance of "horsepower" and "torque."

A diesel with 240 HP and 450 ft-lbs won't outrun a gasser with 365 HP and 250 ft-lbs in a drag race, but the lower HP diesel will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster

No it won't. HP is a measure of time and performance. Torque is just a twisting factor. I can manufacture as much torque to the rear tires as I want with gear selection. One can't manufacture HP no matter how many gears you have.

If torque made such a great towing vehicle my 65 HP John Deere tractor with 12 forward speeds and puts down a zillion ft/lbs of torque to the ground should make a great tow vehicle. It's not. It's slow as the day is long because it only has 65 HP. Can it tow a lot without stalling? Yep, sure can. But it is slow because it only has 65 HP.

My big bad 200 HP 6.5 diesel that puts out 425 ft/lbs of torque would get annihilated in a tow off up hill with a 365 HP EB. Why? Because my diesel only puts out 200 HP!

If torque "drag will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster" just what happened here? And this is with the teeny tiny EB 2.7 motor.

Go on, I want you to explain it to everybody here what happened in this video if torque will get you up the mountain faster.

I really don't care if I am beat up the hill. I am not racing towing my TT. But, I will wave as I go by the fuel station.

Nothing wrong with that.

But when people start spewing BS about torque and HP and don't have a clue about what they are talking about it frankly pisses me off. It's flat out wrong to mislead people who are trying their best to make a big ticket purchase. If you made a statement like the other poster I would call you out too.

The OP is asking questions on this forum about a truck he may purchase. These trucks are ridiculously expensive and some can't make a mistake based on ignorant statements like a truck with 240 HP will beat a truck with 365 HP up a hill towing all being equal because it has more torque. :R :R

ChooChooMan74 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

naturist wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Someone is seriously drunk if they think a 240 HP truck will beat a 365 HP truck towing up a hill. :R

Someone is seriously ignorant with regard to the significance of "horsepower" and "torque."

A diesel with 240 HP and 450 ft-lbs won't outrun a gasser with 365 HP and 250 ft-lbs in a drag race, but the lower HP diesel will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster

No it won't. HP is a measure of time and performance. Torque is just a twisting factor. I can manufacture as much torque to the rear tires as I want with gear selection. One can't manufacture HP no matter how many gears you have.

If torque made such a great towing vehicle my 65 HP John Deere tractor with 12 forward speeds and puts down a zillion ft/lbs of torque to the ground should make a great tow vehicle. It's not. It's slow as the day is long because it only has 65 HP. Can it tow a lot without stalling? Yep, sure can. But it is slow because it only has 65 HP.

My big bad 200 HP 6.5 diesel that puts out 425 ft/lbs of torque would get annihilated in a tow off up hill with a 365 HP EB. Why? Because my diesel only puts out 200 HP!

If torque "drag will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster" just what happened here? And this is with the teeny tiny EB 2.7 motor.

Go on, I want you to explain it to everybody here what happened in this video if torque will get you up the mountain faster.

I really don't care if I am beat up the hill. I am not racing towing my TT. But, I will wave as I go by the fuel station.

Look at it this way the truck that can go up the hill the fastest is the truck that can go up that hill the easiest at whatever speed your comfortable driving.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

naturist wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Someone is seriously drunk if they think a 240 HP truck will beat a 365 HP truck towing up a hill. :R

Someone is seriously ignorant with regard to the significance of "horsepower" and "torque."

A diesel with 240 HP and 450 ft-lbs won't outrun a gasser with 365 HP and 250 ft-lbs in a drag race, but the lower HP diesel will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster

No it won't. HP is a measure of time and performance. Torque is just a twisting factor. I can manufacture as much torque to the rear tires as I want with gear selection. One can't manufacture HP no matter how many gears you have.

If torque made such a great towing vehicle my 65 HP John Deere tractor with 12 forward speeds and puts down a zillion ft/lbs of torque to the ground should make a great tow vehicle. It's not. It's slow as the day is long because it only has 65 HP. Can it tow a lot without stalling? Yep, sure can. But it is slow because it only has 65 HP.

My big bad 200 HP 6.5 diesel that puts out 425 ft/lbs of torque would get annihilated in a tow off up hill with a 365 HP EB. Why? Because my diesel only puts out 200 HP!

If torque "drag will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster" just what happened here? And this is with the teeny tiny EB 2.7 motor.

Go on, I want you to explain it to everybody here what happened in this video if torque will get you up the mountain faster.

I really don't care if I am beat up the hill. I am not racing towing my TT. But, I will wave as I go by the fuel station.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

naturist wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Someone is seriously drunk if they think a 240 HP truck will beat a 365 HP truck towing up a hill. :R

Someone is seriously ignorant with regard to the significance of "horsepower" and "torque."

A diesel with 240 HP and 450 ft-lbs won't outrun a gasser with 365 HP and 250 ft-lbs in a drag race, but the lower HP diesel will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster

No it won't. HP is a measure of time and performance. Torque is just a twisting factor. I can manufacture as much torque to the rear tires as I want with gear selection. One can't manufacture HP no matter how many gears you have.

If torque made such a great towing vehicle my 65 HP John Deere tractor with 12 forward speeds and puts down a zillion ft/lbs of torque to the ground should make a great tow vehicle. It's not. It's slow as the day is long because it only has 65 HP. Can it tow a lot without stalling? Yep, sure can. But it is slow because it only has 65 HP.

My big bad 200 HP 6.5 diesel that puts out 425 ft/lbs of torque would get annihilated in a tow off up hill with a 365 HP EB. Why? Because my diesel only puts out 200 HP!

If torque "drag will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster" just what happened here? And this is with the teeny tiny EB 2.7 motor.

Go on, I want you to explain it to everybody here what happened in this video if torque will get you up the mountain faster.

The EcoDiesel drivers were much more 'relaxed' ;) :S :B

naturist wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Someone is seriously drunk if they think a 240 HP truck will beat a 365 HP truck towing up a hill. :R

Someone is seriously ignorant with regard to the significance of "horsepower" and "torque."

A diesel with 240 HP and 450 ft-lbs won't outrun a gasser with 365 HP and 250 ft-lbs in a drag race, but the lower HP diesel will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster

No it won't. HP is a measure of time and performance. Torque is just a twisting factor. I can manufacture as much torque to the rear tires as I want with gear selection. One can't manufacture HP no matter how many gears you have.

If torque made such a great towing vehicle my 65 HP John Deere tractor with 12 forward speeds and puts down a zillion ft/lbs of torque to the ground should make a great tow vehicle. It's not. It's slow as the day is long because it only has 65 HP. Can it tow a lot without stalling? Yep, sure can. But it is slow because it only has 65 HP.

My big bad 200 HP 6.5 diesel that puts out 425 ft/lbs of torque would get annihilated in a tow off up hill with a 365 HP EB. Why? Because my diesel only puts out 200 HP!

If torque "drag will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster" just what happened here? And this is with the teeny tiny EB 2.7 motor.

Go on, I want you to explain it to everybody here what happened in this video if torque will get you up the mountain faster.

I considered the Eco Diesel, at least on paper it only has 10 more ft lbs torque than the 5.7ltr, the weight and expense wasn't worth it to me. With my 5.7ltr I'm averaging 21mpg, while towing over the mountain passes around here tend to run 10/11mpg flatter towing runs around 13. That being said I'm sure my gasser would eat more fuel if I had a heavier TT, maybe a lot more.

You didn't specify what your 'towing needs' are though.

I went to the Ram web site and looks like the payload for the 3.0 ED quad cab 4X4 is 1177 lbs. As much as I like the truck that is too low for my TT...

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Someone is seriously drunk if they think a 240 HP truck will beat a 365 HP truck towing up a hill. :R

Someone is seriously ignorant with regard to the significance of "horsepower" and "torque."

A diesel with 240 HP and 450 ft-lbs won't outrun a gasser with 365 HP and 250 ft-lbs in a drag race, but the lower HP diesel will drag a heavy trailer up a mountain both faster and with less drama. Not to mention needing less fuel to do it.

tdst51 wrote:
Two ply tires. Man, I can't get over that. What's wrong with the engineer that speced that?!? Other than that, sounds like a pretty nice truck, for the right trailer.

They are not two ply tires, the Ram EcoD comes with Goodyear SR-A tires and some get Michelin's. I don't think you can even buy 2 ply tires for a pickup let alone a car.

Two ply tires. Man, I can't get over that. What's wrong with the engineer that speced that?!? Other than that, sounds like a pretty nice truck, for the right trailer.