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ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:
:) Hi, this seems like an honest mistake, but I think part of the story is missing. I believe that Chrysler offered to replace the gears or give him money if he is willing to keep the gears that he already has.
Nope. $750 or nothing.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2015/04/ram-owner-files-class-action-suit-for-wrong-gears.html
"According to a suit filed by Besley (a downloadable PDF of the suit is available at AutoNews.com), FCA offered Beasley only about $750 in Mopar dollars rather than replace the gearing for free."
Even die hard Ram guys say this is wrong. For the rest of us, it shows Chrysler's lack of quality.Ductape wrote:
One thing that can always be counted on with this forum is as soon as anyone says "left" someone else will post "right". Ordinarily I ignore it, but just in case any readers care about the facts:
Part # 68231044AA is the rear wheel speed sensor for a 2014 Ram 1500; it uses 2. One for the left wheel and one for the right...
So I can ask why you don't know this? Can you show us the part number for the sensor you believe is in the diff?
Just because something was true in older vehicles does not make it true now.
Just to build on this, there should be a tone-ring at every corner (looks almost like a bicycle sprocket). There is a magnetic sensor that uses the hall effect to figure out how many teeth are passing the sensor over a certain amount of time. The computer needs a signal from all 4 tone rings to figure out how to distribute the ABS system. That's how the system knows when you lock up a wheel and it actuates only that specific brake. There is tolerance built into the calibrations of all 4 sensors as tires wear unevenly and turning causes differentials in speed. Modern cars also factor steering angle into their ABS needs calculation.Me Again wrote:
Ductape wrote:
FCA knew that truck had the ratio before it was delivered. Without the correct ratio in the PCM the vehicle goes into limp mode right away. All the wheel speed and trans sensors must agree on RPM or else no go.
And you know this because? The larger RAM's get speed from a differential sensor and gears can be change without effecting anything else. Chris
One thing that can always be counted on with this forum is as soon as anyone says "left" someone else will post "right". Ordinarily I ignore it, but just in case any readers care about the facts:
Part # 68231044AA is the rear wheel speed sensor for a 2014 Ram 1500; it uses 2. One for the left wheel and one for the right...
So I can ask why you don't know this? Can you show us the part number for the sensor you believe is in the diff?
Just because something was true in older vehicles does not make it true now.- :) Hi, this seems like an honest mistake, but I think part of the story is missing. I believe that Chrysler offered to replace the gears or give him money if he is willing to keep the gears that he already has.
Putting the wrong gears in a vehicle is not a quality problem; I'm sure either set of gears would last the life of the vehicle.
If they offered to replace the gears or pay the owner to keep what he has, I see no reason to start a law suit. itguy08 wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
itguy08 wrote:
I wouldn't call the truth brand bashing. You don't get bailed out TWICE by building great vehicles.
Ya, it is.
Those that track dependability put Chrysler vehicles as a whole (Jeep, Ram, Chrysler, Dodge) in the bottom of the pack. That's not me talking but Consumer Reports, JD Power, True Delta, etc.
This is another example of how they don't do quality. You have the wrong axle ratios in the vehicle, a computer that has wrong programming (according to one of the posters where if it's wrong, it won't run right), and a wrong window sticker.
You have to look no further than Motor Trend's last test of the Ram where it was noted it was broken (A/C IIRC). Can't remember the last time I read any road test where they said something broke...
You can't read very many road tests. Wonder how many other manufacturers use the same relay. Besides, they said they hadn't had any problems with their long term tester and couldn't find a history of this failure in other Rams. They also picked it as the winner.
If the truck in the topic was running OK, there was obviously nothing wrong with the truck. Someone got the paperwork wrong. If it wasn't geared as specified, the factory should pick up the whole tab for making it right.BillyW wrote:
itguy08, you really really need to find a new hobby.
He doesn't know any better, he has an agenda and it seems he isn't going away. Every once in a while another one comes along, spewing hatred toward a particular brand. They rarely provide any useful information, just negative comments. He, although quite irritating, is not alone. There are others.- Great...as the last time I had yo my product team through certification...it was told to me by my quailty team that was the case...circa late 1980's
Thanks for the up date...like to learn n update myself BenK wrote:
sad that ISO9000 certification is just a
one time thing to then after gaining ISO9000...it is pretty much
self re-certification...until something like this happens...
Ben, I respect much of what you say, but I disagree with this comment. I have been involved with quality systems for 16 years and just went through another ISO 9001:2008 recertification as well as ISO 22000 and ISO 22002 recertifications. I can absolutely say that it is not self recertification.itguy08 wrote:
I wouldn't call the truth brand bashing. You don't get bailed out TWICE by building great vehicles.
- itguy08, you really really need to find a new hobby.
