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jalichty wrote:
Must have decided they need to keep up with the GM line-up of new Canyons and Colorado, with the diesel version being the best gas mileage truck on the road, according to a report I read this morning. True or not, I think GM will sell a lot of these. I have a number of friends who neither want or need a "full size" pickup but one of these little ones work great for them. They don't tow anything. GM must have seen how popular the Ram Eco-diesel was and thought they better jump in while the jumping is good. I would suspect Ford will have a good market out there when they do get the smaller ones out. For the life of me I can't figure out whey they dropped their small ones.
You will see an explosion in the Midsize market with many , new models. Want to see a segment grow,just have new models released by various manufacturerscarringb wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
Bronco will be based on new Everest SUV,which in turn based on the Ranger. Both are being developed by Ford Australia
Ford Bronco development in Australia
Did you read the article you posted? They didn't say it "will be" in that article. They said it "could be" which is not an exact confirmation especially from an article from three months ago. So there is no way you can say the Bronco "will be" based on the Everest since the article you linked was making speculation.
I think RobertRyan is correct. The Everest is sold in just about every market the Global Ranger is sold, and the UAW contract states the new Bronco would be based share the Ranger's platform. It would be silly for Ford do re-develop an all-new body when they already have one!
PS - I've been waiting for the Everest to come stateside for a long time! Its one of my favorites, and will finally return some competition for the fugly 4runner.
Correct. For both projects Ford has considerably expanded it design and personnel at Broadmeadows, Melbourne Shutting production down at Broadmeadows, but design and testing and infrastructure , very much expanded.
Ford Everest has 6,600lb towing and extremely capable off road
Ford Everest being tested in Arizona
Ford Everest being tested in Australia's Simpson Desertcarringb wrote:
I think RobertRyan is correct. The Everest is sold in just about every market the Global Ranger is sold, and the UAW contract states the new Bronco would be based share the Ranger's platform. It would be silly for Ford do re-develop an all-new body when they already have one!
PS - I've been waiting for the Everest to come stateside for a long time! Its one of my favorites, and will finally return some competition for the fugly 4runner.
Key words in your words are "I think" as in just speculation, but not yet verified. The same with the article he posted yet he said "it will" which is not known yet. Not saying it won't or that the new Bronco couldn't possibly be the Everest, but it is all speculation at this point. And I don't like people passing off speculation as the truth especially when they are only doing it just to say "mine is better than yours".Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
The reason the mid size pick ups went away IMO is they were no longer mid size nor did they make better mileage over their full sized brothers. Unless you went with the smallest engine.
The reason why the old Ranger, S-10(first gen Colorado)n and Dakota went away was due to CAFE or Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulations. The CAFE standards are an average mpg of a manufacturers entire fleet. It also takes into effect of how many vehicles of each is being sold. Furthermore, large trucks get a pass and more leniency with the CAFE regulations, but this does not pass on to compact or midsize trucks. It was these regulations that killed the compact (NOT midsize) truck.
The new regulations that took effect in 2011 (notice that that was the last year of the Ramger and Canyonado) which also took a vehicles "footprint" into effect on determining it's CAFE numbers. To make it fair, the regulation also gave those manufacturers that sold mainly large footprint vehicles some leway meaning they can have a less strict CAFE number if they sold a lot of large footprint vehicles. It was this very loophole that led to the demise of the compact truck since they have a small footprint like a car, but don't get nearly the fuel mileage.
Take Ford as an example. They sale mostly large trucks and the small vehicles they do sale get considerably better fuel economy than the large trucks they sale. Due to this, their CAFE number may be around 25 mpg as an example. The is means their entire average has to be about 25 mpg. Any more and they would have to start making their main selling vehicles more fuel efficient which costs time, and money, and the towing performance they tout so heavily. If you added a compact truck that has a small footprint with horrible fuel economy into that mix, and it sells well then that my increase your CAFE mileage to offset it. This means more money being spent for no gain, and as we all know business are in the business of making money. So a wise business decision given the regulation would be to nix your small footprint vehicles that get horrible fuel economy.
Now, the compact truck is all but gone. What has taken its place is a larger midsize truck with a larger footprint. Also, new changes to regulations now favor midsize trucks which is why you are seeing more being made in the US.
If you want to read more about it then here are some interesting articles.
How CAFE killed compact trucks.
Good and Bad emerges from CAFE.ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
Bronco will be based on new Everest SUV,which in turn based on the Ranger. Both are being developed by Ford Australia
Ford Bronco development in Australia
Did you read the article you posted? They didn't say it "will be" in that article. They said it "could be" which is not an exact confirmation especially from an article from three months ago. So there is no way you can say the Bronco "will be" based on the Everest since the article you linked was making speculation.
I think RobertRyan is correct. The Everest is sold in just about every market the Global Ranger is sold, and the UAW contract states the new Bronco would be based share the Ranger's platform. It would be silly for Ford do re-develop an all-new body when they already have one!
PS - I've been waiting for the Everest to come stateside for a long time! Its one of my favorites, and will finally return some competition for the fugly 4runner.- The reason the mid size pick ups went away IMO is they were no longer mid size nor did they make better mileage over their full sized brothers. Unless you went with the smallest engine.
The Dakota RT Troy was talking about and even the 318 V8 were both fast and drank gas like a drunken sailor. The Ranger was the best of the three for fuel mileage and a good little truck. Mine had issues but my brother had one with over 300K on it. Only ran Mobile One from the day he picked it up and until his daughter totaled it. No rust anywhere on it either.
Don jalichty wrote:
with the diesel version being the best gas mileage truck on the road,
Diesels get horrible gas mileage.....;)- Must have decided they need to keep up with the GM line-up of new Canyons and Colorado, with the diesel version being the best gas mileage truck on the road, according to a report I read this morning. True or not, I think GM will sell a lot of these. I have a number of friends who neither want or need a "full size" pickup but one of these little ones work great for them. They don't tow anything. GM must have seen how popular the Ram Eco-diesel was and thought they better jump in while the jumping is good. I would suspect Ford will have a good market out there when they do get the smaller ones out. For the life of me I can't figure out whey they dropped their small ones.
- I used to own a Bronco II which shared the Ranger chassis and drivetrain. I really liked it. Electric everything, 4WD, V6, auto trans, moon roof, etc. I only sold it because I needed a full size truck, my F-150.
RobertRyan wrote:
Bronco will be based on new Everest SUV,which in turn based on the Ranger. Both are being developed by Ford Australia
Ford Bronco development in Australia
Did you read the article you posted? They didn't say it "will be" in that article. They said it "could be" which is not an exact confirmation especially from an article from three months ago. So there is no way you can say the Bronco "will be" based on the Everest since the article you linked was making speculation.
