Forum Discussion
- With the money pouring in via sales we are seeing massive R&D spent on trucks and SUVs. Enjoy, it won’t last...like minivans.
- if any of the truck builders want a real test?? give a brand new truck to a well seasoned rv,er for six months. they,ll show a real test.
- I think these guys do a good job, I like their reviews. The Eisenhower grade is pretty rough, if you haven't experienced it you will realize it is pretty demanding once you do. Looks like Ford got the mapping worked out for this truck, hopefully it carry’s over to the rest.
I really like these new trucks but the MSRP on these things is just ridiculous. - My takeaway from that was buy the Ecoboost.
- They did it twice and again, they circled the mistakes. :B
- I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.
Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?
Dan - With the advancement of gas engines in the last few years I don't know if there would be a market for these small Diesels, time will tell.
Hammerboy wrote:
I know I said this before but what is the purpose of this truck with a small diesel engine? Who is the target consumer? Fuel economy? Not when diesel cost more and not to mention maintenance costs more. Less capable and more expensive than Eco boost, I'm assuming less payload too.
Not being sarcastic but who are the manufacturers aiming for with these small diesels?
Dan
The main purpose of these small diesels is to increase their CAFE numbers. The mileage a manufacturer has to achieve changes year over year depending on the weighted average mpg and footprint of the vehicles they sell. If they don't hit this mileage number then their are some pretty hefty fines. So in order to ensure that they do hit this number, they sell vehicles like this even though their is a very small market for them to bring up their average mileage number while keeping their footprint average high. Basically it is better to at least make some profit or break even than paying millions in fines.- ^ Bingo!
And there IS a market for them. Yes the newer 1/2 ton V8s and high strung 6 and now forthcoming 4 bangers get pretty decent unloaded mileage, but the baby diesels get about 10 mpg better across the board. At least the ecodiesel does, idk about the 3.0 ford but would expect similar numbers.
That's huge when you put some miles on a truck. Like my work truck, 5.3 Silvy. Right now I'm packing on close to 1000mkles a week, mostly highway. Yeah it does great at about 17 mpg. But 27 mpg would be really sweet!
And the little diesels will always be carped on here, because that's what old men in the coffee shop do! The rest of the world might like them!
The cost thing is a dumb argument, especially coming from people with 6 figures plus worth of rving hardware in their sigs. Those folks should speak into their bathroom mirror rather on line!
A $5k upcharge, over say an average of 10 year vehicle ownership is what? Less than $40 a month? I'd save more fuel $ than that in a week right now with a 10mpg boost. And resale, unless they turn out to be duds, will be higher than the eq gasser as a whole. - [ quote=Grit dog]^ Bingo!
And there IS a market for them. Yes the newer 1/2 ton V8s and high strung 6 and now forthcoming 4 bangers get pretty decent unloaded mileage, but the baby diesels get about 10 mpg better across the board. At least the ecodiesel does, idk about the 3.0 ford but would expect similar numbers.
That's huge when you put some miles on a truck. Like my work truck, 5.3 Silvy. Right now I'm packing on close to 1000mkles a week, mostly highway. Yeah it does great at about 17 mpg. But 27 mpg would be really sweet!
And the little diesels will always be carped on here, because that's what old men in the coffee shop do! The rest of the world might like them!
The cost thing is a dumb argument, especially coming from people with 6 figures plus worth of rving hardware in their sigs. Those folks should speak into their bathroom mirror rather on line!
A $5k upcharge, over say an average of 10 year vehicle ownership is what? Less than $40 a month? I'd save more fuel $ than that in a week right now with a 10mpg boost. And resale, unless they turn out to be duds, will be higher than the eq gasser as a whole.
Grit, you make it sound like small diesels are an obvious choice when you drive a lot of miles. I think you're a bit optimistic about 10mpg across the board with all things being equal. A baby powerstroke vs 2.7 EcoBoost wont be a huge difference, certainly not 10mpg. I know I'm not getting 10 better in the HD that I drive.
When you add everything up I don't see you saving money fuel wise. I drive a diesel and its maybe 25 percent better than gas but I don't think I'm saving money in the long run.
There are people who drive HD trucks on these boards who swear to never drive diesels because of maintenance and emissions equipment even though the diesel has far superior power. The baby diesel doesn't even have that advantage, in this case its less. So is the "hassle" of owning a baby diesel is worth it for a slight if any fuel savings and less power?
The poster who mentioned the cafe, that makes sense. I'll buy that one.
Dan
