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- SoCalDesertRid1Explorer
tmartin000 wrote:
I'm a skilled aluminum welder and fabricator and like to work with aluminum, however, galvanized steel works just as well or better in coastal environments and is alot less expensive to build with than aluminum and doesn't have the cracking problems of aluminum when used in a structure that is subject to loading, twisting and vibration.
I live near the ocean, aluminum is the only material I will consider. - drc5900Explorer
covered wagon wrote:
Oh yes, the fuel fill is lower down so it's sometimes more difficult to fill with fuel because a lot of them tend to shut the nozzle off frequently. I solved that a couple ways if any are interested I can explain.
I am interested to learn how you solved that. Kindly please explain! - tmartin000Explorer III live near the ocean, aluminum is the only material I will consider.
- covered_wagonExplorer
SoCalDesertRider wrote:
Flatbed it! :D
You don't have to put the bed way up high, if you have a 4wd and heavy duty springs, with stock or near stock diameter tires. The tire won't reach the height of the wheel wells in the pickup box anyways, so you can set your flatbed deck about half way between the normal pickup bed floor height and the wheel well height.
Leave out the outrigger cross member right above the tires and either notch the outboard side rails above the wheels, or make the bed wide enough that the tires' upward travel is within the bed width. The tire won't touch the bottom of the deck and will miss the channel sides.
Stronger framed aluminum flatbed beds have cross framing that sit on top of the chassi and is higher due to the higher/ taller bed framing required for strength. Steel flatbeds may have lower heights due to it's inherent strength. I don't know about steel flatbeds. Where as an oem bed has a much lower profile frame sitting on top. My pro Tech flatbed is about 4 inches higher from oem.
Best thing about aluminum flatbeds is the finish can be renewed by using steel wool and elbow grease. They are nice and the price of aluminum will maintain at least a base value after many years of use.
Oh yes, the fuel fill is lower down so it's sometimes more difficult to fill with fuel because a lot of them tend to shut the nozzle off frequently. I solved that a couple ways if any are interested I can explain. - SoCalDesertRid1ExplorerFlatbed it! :D
You don't have to put the bed way up high, if you have a 4wd and heavy duty springs, with stock or near stock diameter tires. The tire won't reach the height of the wheel wells in the pickup box anyways, so you can set your flatbed deck about half way between the normal pickup bed floor height and the wheel well height.
Leave out the outrigger cross member right above the tires and either notch the outboard side rails above the wheels, or make the bed wide enough that the tires' upward travel is within the bed width. The tire won't touch the bottom of the deck and will miss the channel sides. - tmartin000Explorer II
BigToe wrote:
In some states, removing the factory pick up body can change the registration status of the truck, which can lead to higher annual fees, weight declaration requirements, stopping at roadside scales, and other potential vulnerabilities if a highway patrol officer really wants to hassle you.
Specifically, in California, once the factory pickup bed is removed and a flatbed installed instead, the truck now legally is required to stop at scales, as it is no longer a "pick up". This is not practically enforced, but it is legally enforceable.
California actually has set forth a statutory definition of "pick up", and ever since the Commercial Vehicle Registration Act of 2001, trucks that are not "pick ups" have to have declared, in advance, the maximum weight that will be borne and towed by the truck, and pay fees according to that declaration. Should a CHP pull a flat bed truck over for not stopping at the scales, and should the CHP decide to weigh the truck and the weight of the truck, camper, and trailer exceeds the amount that was previously declared, then the fine is the maximum fees that would be levied on an 18 wheeler semi declaring 80,000 lbs.
Pickups, on the other hand, do not have to anticipate what weight they will carry. An owner of a pickup can decide one day to pull a 9,999 lb trailer, while having a 5,000 lb BigFoot 3000 in the bed, and not have to have paid fees for 22K gross combined like a flat bed truck owner would have had to do in order to operate legally in that configuration. Keep in mind, these rules apply irrespective of the door plate rating of the underlying truck chassis, and irrespective of the fact that the chassis could very well be the exact same.
The rules apply to merely the characteristic of the bed. And that is one reason why some California light truck owners keep the pickup bed installed, even when aluminum flat beds with underslung tool boxes offer more common sense convenience and practical utility.
Don't really care since I don't live in California. With Oregon plates, they'll probably wave as I drive by. :) - BigToeExplorerIn some states, removing the factory pick up body can change the registration status of the truck, which can lead to higher annual fees, weight declaration requirements, stopping at roadside scales, and other potential vulnerabilities if a highway patrol officer really wants to hassle you.
Specifically, in California, once the factory pickup bed is removed and a flatbed installed instead, the truck now legally is required to stop at scales, as it is no longer a "pick up". This is not practically enforced, but it is legally enforceable.
California actually has set forth a statutory definition of "pick up", and ever since the Commercial Vehicle Registration Act of 2001, trucks that are not "pick ups" have to have declared, in advance, the maximum weight that will be borne and towed by the truck, and pay fees according to that declaration. Should a CHP pull a flat bed truck over for not stopping at the scales, and should the CHP decide to weigh the truck and the weight of the truck, camper, and trailer exceeds the amount that was previously declared, then the fine is the maximum fees that would be levied on an 18 wheeler semi declaring 80,000 lbs.
Pickups, on the other hand, do not have to anticipate what weight they will carry. An owner of a pickup can decide one day to pull a 9,999 lb trailer, while having a 5,000 lb BigFoot 3000 in the bed, and not have to have paid fees for 22K gross combined like a flat bed truck owner would have had to do in order to operate legally in that configuration. Keep in mind, these rules apply irrespective of the door plate rating of the underlying truck chassis, and irrespective of the fact that the chassis could very well be the exact same.
The rules apply to merely the characteristic of the bed. And that is one reason why some California light truck owners keep the pickup bed installed, even when aluminum flat beds with underslung tool boxes offer more common sense convenience and practical utility. - covered_wagonExplorerI've had a set up with an aluminum flatbed and side boxes. The boxes fit right under the wings with extra storage but you remove the tie downs to access the tool boxes.
Flatbed adds one extra step from being about 4 inches higher.
It's a beautiful set up and the tourists got out of their tour bus and took more pics of my truck than the surrounding mountain views. - drc5900ExplorerI had the conversion to flatbed done. Went from 8' to 10' bed length (it was an affordable flatbed available in my area). It came out quite a bit higher than I had hoped (about 8 to 9 inches higher): Now I need jack extensions to get the camper on & off the truck, I need to buy taller scissor steps, and when driving I can feel that the weight is higher up and more to the rear, especially going around sharp corners (but with the duallies it's nothing alarming). Also, with the camper 2 feet further to the rear, I am missing the shade over the truck cab on hot days, and I am missing the see-through to what's behind the camper when driving. Fueling up with diesel became somewhat of b*tch, an issue I have seen at other flatbeds.
However, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the extra cargo possibilities! I NEVER want to go back to a normal truckbed again.
But if&when time and money will allow, I will have the bed shortened to 8' and lowered to standard bed height (if only I had known in advance...). - OzlanderExplorerAnd next year, they will be nose high.
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