wing_zealot wrote:
Reisender wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Reisender wrote:
way2roll wrote:
blt2ski wrote:
way2roll,
While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.
i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.
other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.
Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.
marty
You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.
I don’t think EV sales are taking off like they are because they are solving a problem or because they are some kind of ecological panacea. People are buying EV’s because they like them. The biggest reasons people buy EV’s are still
Better performance on every metric.
Convenience of fueling at home.
Great tech (a big crowd pleaser)
Low maintenance.
Cheap fuel.
Super quiet.
For those of us who get winter EV’s are super convenient compared to gassers or diesels. Never worry about starting in the cold and for those of us who park outside a lot it’s toasty warm and defrosted with no window scraping within 5 minutes. Much faster than a gasser or diesel. Probably half our neighbours went EV shopping after they watched us go thru the first winter with ours 7 years ago. It’s nice. And gas pumps in winter are never any fun. One of our older neighbours switched last year before winter. She loves not having to deal with a gas pump in winter anymore.
But to each their own. Everybody has different preferences.
Your missed these metrics:
Highway distance between charges
Time to recharge
Distance between charges while towing
Yah for sure. It’s just a matter of wether somebody thinks those are important for their driving.
Many are fine with stopping every 3 or 4 hours and taking a 20 minute break. Almost always the car is finished charging before they are finished doing what they doing. Eating, bathroom etc. But sure, if you are the type that travels 6 hours and then takes a 15 minute fuel al food break the gasser is a better way to go. But there are a lot less of those types on the road. Definitely not a healthy way to travel.
Towing is a different animal. Those of us who are retired might be okay with a charge step every 2 or 3 hours. Others not. And of course right now one has to select a small trailer to achieve a reasonable towing experience. I’m sure that will change in time as new tech comes out. Short of towing range with existing EV’s the actual towing experience is superior with an electric. It’s a different world.
But to each his own. Bottom line is people love EV’s and sales continue to grow fast all over the world for no other reason than people love them. The number one and two vehicle in Europe are EV’s. Same in California. And many parts of Asia. Times are changing.
"Cheap Fuel"?
#1 Depends on where you live. About 0.1% of the members of this forum live in an area serviced by BC Hydro - where apparently electricity is cheap which some people like to use in their calculation for everyone. The other 99.9% of us don't. And a greater number live in Cal., where fuel can be called anything but cheap.
#2 Offset by vehicle purchase price
#3 Further offset by cost of insurance
#4 And further offset by DMV surcharges for Road Tax (growing number of states)
Let's keep talking about metrics, this is fun, albeit, one sided.
Yah. Electricity is relatively cheap fuel in pretty much all of Canada. But we lived in and off in California as well up till two years ago and it was there as well if on the after hours charging plan . Don’t know about the rest of the US.
Insurance isn’t more expensive here for EV’s so can’t speak to that.
Price of vehicle depends what you are looking for I suppose. There are some reasonably inexpensive EV’s on the market although long waiting lists for those. (Chevy bolt). Availability is tough for some models in North America. (VW’s).
Bottom line is people like them and they are willing to wait for them. Supply is a long way from demand at this point. The test drive is very convincing.
Cheers all.
