Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Unless they're subsidized and write off their losses. Meaning you and I get to pay more for the failure than the success of this agenda. This is typical "ready, shoot, aim" policies with half baked science holding it up to garner votes at the cost of the taxpayer.

Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

way2roll wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
for those of you that work or play in places that get somilar rules thrown at them..... how many have truly caused issues? how many got delayed due to technology being unable to do the requirement? so things get delayed.....

i can think of MANY government recomendations and regs that got passed over my time on this planet. many that got delayed due to the abilities of industry etc for many reasons not able to meet the regs.

EV vehicles have a place. At the moment, not able to meet specs for us all. Not a problem in my book today. When 2034 rolls around, hopefully tech, mines have opened to meet lithium and other material needs have come online, we might meet regs. If not, then relook at regs.



marty

The issue for me isn't the technology hindering me in any way. I like technology. It's the lack of free market and being forced to adopt despite challenges and forcing me to pay for it. That's socialism not free market. If you want to spend your own billions developing a product that could produce benefit and profit for you, knock yourself out. But don't cherry pick science in your sales pitch to force me to be an investor making me poorer while you get rich. EV's haven't made it on their own in over a hundred years. Just goes to show if you throw enough money at anything you can make it work. As long as it's not your money. And "work" is pretty loose, especially in the utopian benefit pamphlets.

And those mines cause as much if not more ecological destruction than this effort is touted to saving. Your granddaughter may have cleaner air paired with dirty water, erosion and no place to plant anything, with further animal extinction.

Many that talk about "free market" seem to have a hard time understanding the fossil fuel industry has been subsidized by society for all their lives.
And forced to pay for? Look at the cost of extreme weather events last year. But that's fine because we are taxed by insurance companies to pay most of that, not not the evil socialist government.
Damage from mines? Sure. But look at how much less damage a coal mine or oil well does in 2023, compared to 1923 or even 1953. The fact that more people are aware, and willing to reduce profit to make things cleaner can give the kids born today hope.

blt2ski wrote:
for those of you that work or play in places that get somilar rules thrown at them..... how many have truly caused issues? how many got delayed due to technology being unable to do the requirement? so things get delayed.....

i can think of MANY government recomendations and regs that got passed over my time on this planet. many that got delayed due to the abilities of industry etc for many reasons not able to meet the regs.

EV vehicles have a place. At the moment, not able to meet specs for us all. Not a problem in my book today. When 2034 rolls around, hopefully tech, mines have opened to meet lithium and other material needs have come online, we might meet regs. If not, then relook at regs.



marty

The issue for me isn't the technology hindering me in any way. I like technology. It's the lack of free market and being forced to adopt despite challenges and forcing me to pay for it. That's socialism not free market. If you want to spend your own billions developing a product that could produce benefit and profit for you, knock yourself out. But don't cherry pick science in your sales pitch to force me to be an investor making me poorer while you get rich. EV's haven't made it on their own in over a hundred years. Just goes to show if you throw enough money at anything you can make it work. As long as it's not your money. And "work" is pretty loose, especially in the utopian benefit pamphlets.

And those mines cause as much if not more ecological destruction than this effort is touted to saving. Your granddaughter may have cleaner air paired with dirty water, erosion and no place to plant anything, with further animal extinction.

for those of you that work or play in places that get somilar rules thrown at them..... how many have truly caused issues? how many got delayed due to technology being unable to do the requirement? so things get delayed.....

i can think of MANY government recomendations and regs that got passed over my time on this planet. many that got delayed due to the abilities of industry etc for many reasons not able to meet the regs.

EV vehicles have a place. At the moment, not able to meet specs for us all. Not a problem in my book today. When 2034 rolls around, hopefully tech, mines have opened to meet lithium and other material needs have come online, we might meet regs. If not, then relook at regs.

Targeted emission regs on both gas and diesel rigs have moved due to the ability of industry to meet regs a few times. Vehicle manufactures have generally speaking met the MPG requirements, giving us more piwerful engines, cleaner burning, and better mpgs.

LP as noted is goid for ICE rigs in a semi enclosed environment, ue fork lifts. Its been a decade or two since ive seen a gas or diesel smaller forklift. Theyve been DC or LP. Cutting emmisions way down.

My grand daughter might see this new tech as the norm, kids are liking it. I hope it works....

marty

It takes me 5 minutes to fill my truck up with gas while towing. It takes you 20 minutes (at least) and maybe much more. I stop once a day, you stop every 3 hours. That's reality, Everythign else is Word Salad.

LMHS wrote:
Seven States That Are On My Do Not Visit List:

California
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Washington

After all, I'm just helping them out. Since they don't want the type of vehicles I drive, then they shouldn't mind losing any potential tourist revenue. I just wonder if they are going to stop jets from flying into their states?

X2. If you happen to wander off course and end up in kali, be sure to hide your bag of Skittles.

Huntindog wrote:

NamMedevac 70 wrote:
I assume a bison expels much more gas than a cow??? But the greenies love those bison and say nothing about their gas expelling.

I have never had a bison burger. Maybe someday.

we now have almost 40 million cattle
there used to be 60 million bison. so we reduced our 4 legged fart critters by 20 million. yet the greenies blame supossed increased methane levels on the cattle. there are two basic flaws.
1.nobody was measuring methane levels back then.
2.with 20 million more bison which are larger than cows,the bison farts had to produce more methane than todays cattle.
so todays cattle ranchers should be able to claim credits for reducing methane production.

What percentage of that 60 million ate corn?
When you see numbers like a corn fed cow will put out nearly 3 times the methane as a grass fed one, that 40 million likely put out more.
Then consider part of each year part of that 60 million did not have enough to eat, so less likely to off-gas.

Seven States That Are On My Do Not Visit List:

California
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Washington

After all, I'm just helping them out. Since they don't want the type of vehicles I drive, then they shouldn't mind losing any potential tourist revenue. I just wonder if they are going to stop jets from flying into their states?

free radical wrote:

NamMedevac 70 wrote:
I assume a bison expels much more gas than a cow??? But the greenies love those bison and say nothing about their gas expelling.

I have never had a bison burger. Maybe someday.

Bison meat is very lean dry. I dont like it.

Btw its cows breath that expels CO2 alegedly the cause of global heating not methane.

cook it rare or medium rare, then it isn't dry. Anything more than medium rare and yup, it's dry. so, if you prefer med well or well done, Bison is NOT for you

and what do you think you expel when you breath? Yup it's CO2 but methane is a way worse for global warming than C02.