Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035

FishOnOne wrote:

Reisender wrote:

way2roll wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
way2roll,

While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.

i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.

other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.

Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.

marty

You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.

I don’t think EV sales are taking off like they are because they are solving a problem or because they are some kind of ecological panacea. People are buying EV’s because they like them. The biggest reasons people buy EV’s are still

Better performance on every metric.
Convenience of fueling at home.
Great tech (a big crowd pleaser)
Low maintenance.
Cheap fuel.
Super quiet.
For those of us who get winter EV’s are super convenient compared to gassers or diesels. Never worry about starting in the cold and for those of us who park outside a lot it’s toasty warm and defrosted with no window scraping within 5 minutes. Much faster than a gasser or diesel. Probably half our neighbours went EV shopping after they watched us go thru the first winter with ours 7 years ago. It’s nice. And gas pumps in winter are never any fun. One of our older neighbours switched last year before winter. She loves not having to deal with a gas pump in winter anymore.

But to each their own. Everybody has different preferences.

Your missed these metrics:
Highway distance between charges
Time to recharge
Distance between charges while towing

FishOnOne wrote:

Reisender wrote:

way2roll wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
way2roll,

While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.

i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.

other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.

Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.

marty

You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.

I don’t think EV sales are taking off like they are because they are solving a problem or because they are some kind of ecological panacea. People are buying EV’s because they like them. The biggest reasons people buy EV’s are still

Better performance on every metric.
Convenience of fueling at home.
Great tech (a big crowd pleaser)
Low maintenance.
Cheap fuel.
Super quiet.
For those of us who get winter EV’s are super convenient compared to gassers or diesels. Never worry about starting in the cold and for those of us who park outside a lot it’s toasty warm and defrosted with no window scraping within 5 minutes. Much faster than a gasser or diesel. Probably half our neighbours went EV shopping after they watched us go thru the first winter with ours 7 years ago. It’s nice. And gas pumps in winter are never any fun. One of our older neighbours switched last year before winter. She loves not having to deal with a gas pump in winter anymore.

But to each their own. Everybody has different preferences.

Your missed these metrics:
Highway distance between charges
Time to recharge
Distance between charges while towing

Reisender wrote:

way2roll wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
way2roll,

While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.

i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.

other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.

Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.

marty

You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.

I don’t think EV sales are taking off like they are because they are solving a problem or because they are some kind of ecological panacea. People are buying EV’s because they like them. The biggest reasons people buy EV’s are still

Better performance on every metric.
Convenience of fueling at home.
Great tech (a big crowd pleaser)
Low maintenance.
Cheap fuel.
Super quiet.
For those of us who get winter EV’s are super convenient compared to gassers or diesels. Never worry about starting in the cold and for those of us who park outside a lot it’s toasty warm and defrosted with no window scraping within 5 minutes. Much faster than a gasser or diesel. Probably half our neighbours went EV shopping after they watched us go thru the first winter with ours 7 years ago. It’s nice. And gas pumps in winter are never any fun. One of our older neighbours switched last year before winter. She loves not having to deal with a gas pump in winter anymore.

But to each their own. Everybody has different preferences.

LMHS wrote:

Latner wrote:

X2. If you happen to wander off course and end up in kali, be sure to hide your bag of Skittles.

I don't eat skittles.

way2roll wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
way2roll,

While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.

i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.

other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.

Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.

marty

You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.

blt2ski wrote:
way2roll,

While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.

i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.

other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.

Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.

marty

free radical wrote:



Is it free market or socialism
When Gov pays bilions $ to rescue failing banks or factories?


Heres Somethin interesting our msm doesnt show wonder why

https://youtu.be/mmpWb6exNpQ

way2roll wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
for those of you that work or play in places that get somilar rules thrown at them..... how many have truly caused issues? how many got delayed due to technology being unable to do the requirement? so things get delayed.....

i can think of MANY government recomendations and regs that got passed over my time on this planet. many that got delayed due to the abilities of industry etc for many reasons not able to meet the regs.

EV vehicles have a place. At the moment, not able to meet specs for us all. Not a problem in my book today. When 2034 rolls around, hopefully tech, mines have opened to meet lithium and other material needs have come online, we might meet regs. If not, then relook at regs.

marty

The issue for me isn't the technology hindering me in any way. I like technology. It's the lack of free market and being forced to adopt despite challenges and forcing me to pay for it.

That's socialism not free market. If you want to spend your own billions developing a product that could produce benefit and profit for you, knock yourself out. But don't cherry pick science in your sales pitch to force me to be an investor making me poorer while you get rich. EV's haven't made it on their own in over a hundred years. Just goes to show if you throw enough money at anything you can make it work. As long as it's not your money. And "work" is pretty loose, especially in the utopian benefit pamphlets.
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Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .