Silverado 4500/5500 coming next year.

Yeah it was Sterling. I could remember it was the Ford Louisville body bought by FL/MB renamed.....remembered after climbing into bed.

I'm inclined to think and feel the GM 6.0 with the proper 6sp and axel gears would do a good job too. Once it was mated to the 6l90E trans, it was dang near as quick, with better mileage than the 8.1 pulling equal trailers. In some cases slower starting, but catching the 8.1 in hill climb sprint tests towing. For those wanting a gas equal, it would work. Certainly better than the BB 366/427 setups of yore!

IIRC, the GM 4500 van is more like a current 3500 pickup. No where near as beefy as the Conv cab 4500 or equal. IIRC the E series is a bit lacking vs a 45 series pickup too. Not to say this is bad, just it is what it is.

Marty I think you're looking for Sterling. We have a Sterling 4500 in our company. It is simply a Dodge/Cummins with a different grille. They are no longer sold.



Not sure where the GM 8.1L falls emissions wise. Pretty sure it wasn't emissions that halted production. Instead it was the low "take rate". Buyers weren't interested. I don't know why. I have one and it is a beast.

This is just speculation on my part but judging by the OTR trucks demand for new glider kits and pre-2008 Cats, Cummins, and Detroits, GM would be wise to offer the 8.1L as an option to the people who would prefer to not have the DPF and DEF issues. I don't know how many V-10s Ford sells but we considered buying one because of the past issues we had with the diesels. I say we considered it but it wasn't really a serious consideration, that conversation lasted less than a minute. It was just the fact that the V-10 was the only viable gas option for trucks above the 3500/350 series. We didn't consider the HEMI in the Ram. And the Chevy Express 4500, gas or diesel, was way too light for our needs.

Hmmmm
The Terastar was the smaller setup to compete in the class 4/5 relm, with a smaller again IIRC 7L V8 motor, with GVWR's from ~15-22K or there about......Guess that is discontinued, until this combo setup occurs. No different than the Ram 45/55 models were available as Freightliner and ?!???? forget discontinued brand...

Marty

Yes they are missing out.
The old 8.1 was a beast.
Where I work we'll get an older Uhaul truck with the 8.1 in it every so often and that big truck moves right along.
We also have Ford straight trucks with the v-10 and its no slouch either.

blofgren wrote:

ACZL wrote:
Navistar Grill

Exactly what I was thinking. And I'm a bit surprised there's no gas engine option.

GM no longer has a big enough gas engine for this type of truck and is missing a huge opportunity because of it.

ACZL wrote:
Navistar Grill

Exactly what I was thinking. And I'm a bit surprised there's no gas engine option.

Bionic Man wrote:


My advice to you is to let it go. Sidecar is quickly developing a reputation of posting inflammatory comments and he has trouble getting his own facts correct. Not worth wasting your time.

Haha! Yeah after I responded the second time I figured I was being trolled. I was trying to figure out what my "issue" with Freightliner was. I have 500,000mi on Freightliner OTR trucks with no complaints. I'm probably going to buy a used Century or Columbia to haul my monster truck around once it is finished.

blt2ski wrote:
When did navistar quit making a lo pro or equal? Granted on old side, my 4600LP has an 18200 give from factory. Saw some new ones at dealer the other day.....

Maybe not set up with motors etc someone wants...
Marty

Marty, Navistar had stopped offering its smaller (19.5" tire) trucks at some point earlier this year. I still have a sales brochure around here somewhere. I picked one up from our local dealer and he was supposed to call me later with a price. Instead he called to tell me they no longer offer those small trucks.

As I said Ford was out. The nearest Kenworth dealer is 100mi away, and the Peterbilt 325 was $10,000 more than the Ram. Interestingly BOTH the Kenworth and Peterbilt use the 6.7L Cummins same as the Ram but also offered the Allison transmission. So, with the Paccar trucks you get the best of both worlds but at a huge price penalty.

We actually ended up getting the Ram way cheaper than we should have because the salesman was new and didn't know the commercial market. It's a long story but it worked in our favor.

Interesting.... Looks like a cross between Chevy and Navistar styling.

I suppose the release of this truck proves the Allison is a strong transmission unlike many here believe.

When did navistar quit making a lo pro or equal? Granted on old side, my 4600LP has an 18200 give from factory. Saw some new ones at dealer the other day.....

Maybe not set up with motors etc someone wants...
Marty

Engineer9860 wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

Engineer9860 wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

Engineer9860 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I don't know how big is the 4500/5500 market is, but the margins must be healthy if you have GM getting back in.

Just bought a 2017 Ram 5500 at work. We need a 19,500# truck for what I do. The ONLY other optionThe ONLY other option is Kenworth and Peterbilt. Our company always bought Fords but never again. If we could have waited we may have brought a new Chevy. Couldn't wait that is why we have the Ram.

So yes, I'd say GM is about to find an opening.

Try Freightliner Business Class, not Paccar. Freightliner is the undisputed leader in medium duty cab and chassis trucks. You need to research before posting....

I did research before posting. Not sure why we need smartallec comments such as yours. 8 months ago my research proved that Freightliner and Navistar DID NOT offer a 19,500# truck.

Obviiously you have some issue that I don't really care about. KW and Pete don't either. Freightliner offers business class 5,6 and 7 cabs and chassis btw.

You need to do your homework. Have a nice day btw.

I did the research. Freightliner did not offer a lo-pro truck when we were shopping. Facts are facts. And you have provided none.

My advice to you is to let it go. Sidecar is quickly developing a reputation of posting inflammatory comments and he has trouble getting his own facts correct. Not worth wasting your time.